Why do people act like Anthony Joshua ducked Wilder ?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I see the same nutters having the same arguments they were having like 4 years ago.

All the supposed “offers” are completely irrelevant. IMO, neither side made a serious offer to make this fight happen. It was all just PR and you suckers fell for for it hook, line and sinker.

[hugh grant]

Hopefully they will fight soon and all will be forgiven, nobody ducked

[kafkod]

Wilder has already had those era defining fights vs Fury. AJ hasn’t had them against his contemporaries.

For the last 7 years, there were 3 HW fights we wanted to see above all else. Fury vs Wilder, Fury vs Joshua and Wilder vs Joshua.

Being fair to AJ, he did try to fight Wilder and got turned down, as Wilder himself admitted. And he couldn't fight either Fury or Wilder with them fighting nobody but each other, over and over, for the best part of 4 years. He has also fought Usyk twice.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Nope, you are. The DAZN offer was before the Ruiz fight and was more than 'slightly less'.

Wilders team just didn't want it.

You're misunderstanding Wilder's tweet. Wilder signed to give Fury a rematch shortly after Joshua regained his titles from Ruiz. The undefeated Fury, who many believed won the first fight against Wilder, was considered the tougher challenge for Wilder than fighting Joshua after he split his fights with Ruiz.

So why would we criticize Wilder for giving the undefeated Fury a rematch for less money than was on offer to face the recently defeated Joshua? Doesn't make any sense. Wilder should be applauded for taking the tougher fight, even if the money was a little less.

[WBC WBA IBF]

That's bullshit and you know it. After losing to Ruiz, AJ activated an immediate rematch clause. He most definitely did not send any big money offer to Wilder first.

After losing to Ruiz, AJ won a rematch. After winning the rematch, Wilder was offered slightly more to face Joshua than he got to face Fury in a rematch. Fury was considered the tougher fight. Why should Wilder be criticized for giving Fury a rematch when that was the tougher fight?

However, when Joshua was undefeated, he repeatedly ducked Wilder.

[WBC WBA IBF]

The DAZN offer was contingent on them both winning any interim fights and retaining their titles before fighting each other.

AJ was on board with that plan, Wilder turned it down and, instead, went after a come-backing Tyson Fury for much less money, which he admitted himself in the link at the top of this thread.

The DAZN offer was contingent on both winning interim fights and the DAZN offer was contingent on Joshua re-signing with DAZN after his next fight. Which meant DAZN couldn't guarantee the Joshua fight to Wilder and expected Wilder to sign on the hope and a prayer that DAZN could deliver Joshua.

It made no sense for Wilder to do that, so Wilder said I'll fight my mandatory with my current network and if Joshua wins, and if Joshua re-signs with you, we can talk about the Joshua fight. Basically DAZN was trying to trick Wilder into signing with DAZN even though DAZN couldn't promise the Joshua fight.

It's ridiculous to claim that Wilder "ducked" Joshua by fighting Breazeale on SHO instead of fighting Breazeale on DAZN.

[WBC WBA IBF]

I don't understand why you keep trying to justify Wilder turning down the DAZN deal by talking about things that happened months after the deal was offered and rejected. Do you believe somebody in Wilder's team has a magic crystal ball?

You didn't need a crystal ball to know the possibility existed that Joshua could lose and the possibility existed that Joshua could leave DAZN for another broadcaster.

So the responsible thing to do was to fight Breazeale on Showtime and wait to see if Joshua won his next fight. There was absolutely no reason to fight Breazeale on DAZN. Any reasonable person would wait to see whether Joshua won his next fight and wait to see if Joshua re-signed with DAZN.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Being fair to AJ, he did try to fight Wilder and got turned down, as Wilder himself admitted.

Wilder admitted to giving an undefeated Fury a rematch rather than fighting a recently knocked out Joshua. You're conveniently leaving that part out.

When AJ was undefeated, he avoided Wilder like the plague.

[WBC WBA IBF]

neither side made a serious offer to make this fight happen.

That is a lie. Wilder offered Joshua the $50 million he asked for. It was a serious offer and Hearn admitted weeks after the offer was made that it was a serious offer and they were seriously considering it. Ultimately Joshua's team chose to duck Wilder. But let's not re-write history. Wilder's side made a huge offer, an offer so huge that they risked losing a lot of money on the deal. Joshua ducked.

[kafkod]

After losing to Ruiz, AJ won a rematch. After winning the rematch, Wilder was offered slightly more to face Joshua than he got to face Fury in a rematch. Fury was considered the tougher fight. Why should Wilder be criticized for giving Fury a rematch when that was the tougher fight?

However, when Joshua was undefeated, he repeatedly ducked Wilder.

Ok, so now you're claiming AJ sent an offer to Wilder after winning his titles back from Ruiz, rather after he lost them. Neither claim is true, of course.