Why do people act like Anthony Joshua ducked Wilder ?

[kafkod]

First of all, Joshua didn't offer any deal. DAZN wanted to sign Wilder away from PBC and the networks they do business with. DAZN offered Wilder the contract.

Second, Joshua's loss to Ruiz, which everyone who brings this up leaves out, would've blew everything up anyway.

Here was the deal DAZN offered Wilder.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...ure-dazn-offer

The deal was $20 million for Breazeale the early summer 2019 and $40 million for Joshua in the fall of 2019 in a unification ... but if Wilder had taken it ... Joshua was no longer the champion in the fall. Joshua had been dropped four times and quit against Ruiz.

So, had Wilder signed the deal, Wilder SITS ON THE SHELF from the Breazeale fight in May 2019 until ... when? ... not earning anything.

After Joshua beat Ruiz in their rematch, Joshua and Wilder wouldn't have fought before March, when COVID struck and they were all out for basically the whole year.

So Wilder would've gotten his $20 million for Breazeale and then he'd have sat on the shelf for, what, two years?



And that's if the WBC never stripped Wilder in that time for not rematching Fury (which the WBC called for in 2019, which you also left out).

So, had Wilder signed with DAZN, we may have very well gotten Wilder-Fury II and Joshua-Pulev (two mandatories) before we ever saw them in the ring.

Instead, Wilder got $10 million to fight Breazeale by FOX and he and Fury, after PPV, made $25 million for their rematch and Wilder reportedly made $20 million from the PPV for the third fight (40 percent of his 60-40 split with Fury).

So Wilder did fine. You don't have to worry about Deontay.
He ended up making more than he would've if he'd had to sit on the shelf for two years doing nothing.

The $100 million DAZN deal was basically ruined when Joshua quit in Madison Square Garden.

So AJ ruined the DAZN deal by getting KTFO by Ruiz 3 months after Deontay turned it down?

[MoneyKing]

AJ too busy now reading CBeebies stories to kids on tv lol

[Dubblechin]

So AJ ruined the DAZN deal by getting KTFO by Ruiz 3 months after Deontay turned it down?

No, had Wilder signed the deal, they still wouldn't have fought. Joshua lost weeks after the Breazeale fight. There was no unification to be had with Joshua.

How much clearer do I have to be?

You act like if Wilder had signed with DAZN, they would've unified. Joshua had no belts to unify in the fall of 2019.

And by the time Joshua reclaimed them, both Wilder and Joshua had mandatory contenders to fight. And they both lost to their mandos.

Maybe Fury and Usyk can get it done now. I don't think either will lose before that unification happens.

Wilder ended up with $10 million from Breazeale, $20 million for Ortiz 2, $25 million for Fury 2, $20 million for Fury 3 and a reported $20 million for Helenius.

So Wilder got about $95 million of that $100 million he "walked away" from. And he's more respected now by fans compared to then.

He's doing okay.

[GhostofDempsey]

AJ was earning between $15 - $20 million per fight while Wilder was earned < $1 - $2 million and demanding a 50/50 split of the purse. Wilder wasn't even worth 30%, let alone 50%.

I would say the fight is closer to 50/50 now that each of them has some losses. Problem is, nothing else is on the line besides a paycheck. I doubt Wilder will want to travel to UK where it would be a bigger fight.

[M312]

Wilder ducked the fight. He admitted it a few times.

Lou DiBella got fired by Wilder for trying to make the famous DAZN deal that Team Wilder rejected too. He's done a few interviews on that too.

Truth is, people just want the people at the top to fail. Human nature.

Same thing happening to Fury now too.

[kafkod]

No, had Wilder signed the deal, they still wouldn't have fought. Joshua lost weeks after the Breazeale fight. There was no unification to be had with Joshua.

How much clearer do I have to be?

You act like if Wilder had signed with DAZN, they would've unified. Joshua had no belts to unify in the fall of 2019.

And by the time Joshua reclaimed them, both Wilder and Joshua had mandatory contenders to fight. And they both lost to their mandos.

Whether AJ and Wilder would have unified the titles if Wilder had accepted the DAZN deal is a different topic.

The topic I'm discussing is why some people act like AJ ducked Wilder when he was ready and willing to fight Deontay when they were both undefeated champions. The DAZN plan was for 2 fights between them, both in the US. AJ was on board with that, Wilder turned it down. What happened to them afterwards is irrelevant.

Wilder ended up with $10 million from Breazeale, $20 million for Ortiz 2, $25 million for Fury 2, $20 million for Fury 3 and a reported $20 million for Helenius.

So Wilder got about $95 million of that $100 million he "walked away" from. And he's more respected now by fans compared to then.

He's doing okay.

Yes, Wilder is doing ok, but I just want to point out that the $95million you claimed he earned was from 5 fights. That's 2 more than the 3 fight $100million DAZN deal he turned down. I also believe you are wildly inflating his purses for some of those 5 fights. $20million for Helenius?

Also, if you believe Wilder beats AJ, then at the end of the DAZN deal he would have been the undisputed, undefeated world heavyweight champion, not the former WBC camp with a draw and 2 KO defeats on his record, which is where he is now.

[WBC WBA IBF]

https://twitter.com/bronzebomber/sta...243072?lang=en He said it himself. Wilder denied an 100 million 2 fight deal with Aj just to fight fury again but for some reason the popular allegation is AJ is scared of WIlder and avoided him several times, why is that ?

You're a little confused about the timeline.

AFTER JOSHUA GOT KNOCKED OUT BY RUIZ, Wilder took slightly less to give Fury a rematch rather than fight the recently defeated Joshua.

But when Joshua was undefeated, he repeatedly ducked Wilder.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Wilder ducked the fight. He admitted it a few times.

Lou DiBella got fired by Wilder for trying to make the famous DAZN deal that Team Wilder rejected too. He's done a few interviews on that too.

Truth is, people just want the people at the top to fail. Human nature.

Same thing happening to Fury now too.

You're misrepresenting the truth.

Joshua ducked the undefeated vs undefeated undisputed fight.

Right after Joshua got knocked out, Wilder took slightly less to give Fury a deserved rematch rather than fighting the recently dethroned Joshua.

[WBC WBA IBF]

The topic I'm discussing is why some people act like AJ ducked Wilder when he was ready and willing to fight Deontay when they were both undefeated champions. The DAZN plan was for 2 fights between them, both in the US. AJ was on board with that, Wilder turned it down. What happened to them afterwards is irrelevant.

This is false. Joshua hadn't agreed to the fight and DAZN's offer was contingent on Joshua winning his next fight, which he didn't.

Joshua had repeatedly ducked the fight prior to that and likely would have ducked again.

Wilder's position was that there was no reason to fight Breazeale on DAZN and that if Joshua won his next fight and was willing to fight Wilder, DAZN could then make a real offer. There was no reason to sign with DAZN unless the Joshua fight was guaranteed instead of being hypothetical.

[kafkod]

You're misrepresenting the truth.

Joshua ducked the undefeated vs undefeated undisputed fight.

Right after Joshua got knocked out, Wilder took slightly less to give Fury a deserved rematch rather than fighting the recently dethroned Joshua.

That's bullshit and you know it. After losing to Ruiz, AJ activated an immediate rematch clause. He most definitely did not send any big money offer to Wilder first.