Pound for Pound is About SKILLS not OPPOSITION

[bojangles1987]

Why is Pac assumed by some as unskilled? He's a highly skilled pressure fighter. Lots of guys can punch, but he manages to make it work by knowing how to set up shots and appears to be getting better at it.

He's only assume to be unskilled by haters who assume pressure fighters can't box. You would think the fact he drew and won a decision against one of the best counter punchers in the sport, Juan Manuel Marquez, would be proof of Pac's skill.

[balintawak]

I don't Understand Your Reasoning

P4P is a mythical rating because sometimes fighters can't be put in the same ring. The opposition, and the quality of their wins and losses are really the only way to determine this mythical rating.

Ratings are all about the resume. How else are levels of performance determined? It makes one wonder whether you have ever applied for a job.

[bobo_bobo]

When you're not fighting the best you look like the best fighter ever. When Cotto is not fighting the best he looks unbeatable, same with Mayweather or any world class figther. Cotto-Gomez, Mayweather-Marquez are good examples. Pac is #1 P4P. I wouldn't rank Floyd higher than Mosley.

[RL_GMA]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

I've always thought the P4P rankings were too opinionated to determine who really is the best fighter. You can make so many arguments, and though each would have a point, it's still all opinionated.

In history, people remember the fights, not the rankings.

People don't praise Leonard, Hagler and other greats from the past based on where they were ranked, we talk about their fights and what made them legends.

[nj_evoixgsr]

someone made a very informative opinion. you have to remember one is all out defense vs all out offense. in football you have both. neither of them win ALL their games and surely doesn't mean they will be going to the superbowl.

TOO MANY INTANGIBLES that it leads to fight night and how they execute. there is no way in hell you could say either of them wins until they fight.

[BrooklynBomber]

Damn it kids, P4P is just asilly concept a couple of ancient geeks came up with to play around when they were drinking their bourbon. Then the smart kids at HBO decided to make it a selling point, but it is really just a sham and a marketing tool. Get to your senses.

[Pecs]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

Are you joking??? Pound for pound is like rankings in other sports like badminton and tennis. But due to boxing having SOOOOO many divisions, the fighting track record for each boxer is ranked upon. Who you beat or lose is the most important criteria.

[JAB5239]

I'll tell you what.....why don't you post a pic of Shane during the first Oscar fight and one of him during the second fight. I'll bet there isn't much difference if any in his physique.

Fulcrum.....still no pictures? Your credibility really can't get any more shot, can it?

[elgaringo]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

this is a crazy post! so your saying you could appear to have more skills than another guy at the top and the other guy fights and beats better fighters than you have, but you are considered higher p4p? WHAT DA **** ARE YOU SMOKIN????? Its about what you do in the ring not what you do in the gym!!!!

[Fulcrum29]

When you're not fighting the best you look like the best fighter ever. When Cotto is not fighting the best he looks unbeatable, same with Mayweather or any world class figther. Cotto-Gomez, Mayweather-Marquez are good examples. Pac is #1 P4P. I wouldn't rank Floyd higher than Mosley.

Floyd fought the best.
It's simply that

1. He didn't fight "the biggest" according to some haters. But history shows that "the biggest aren't the best." Everyone claimed Margarito was "the best" at WW and Floyd ducked him but in fact he was simply the biggest and he sucks **** cus Mosley knocked him into next week like he was a cab driving bum.
2. He constantly makes the "best" look so paltry by comparison that people continually deride his fights.