Pound for Pound is About SKILLS not OPPOSITION

[mannyman]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

No denying Mayweathers skill but Pacs number one as hes not been beaten yet by mayweather or in a championship fight.

P4P ratings aren't just based purely on skill and who a fighter would beat P4P - if it was the list would look different. For example fghters like Winky Wright and RJJ would still beat lots of fighters P4P. (i've just used those two as examples as its debatable.)

You said it yourself 'HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight' - mayweather dominated JJM? Yeh PBF sure did dominate him - Pacqiauo annihilated Hatton and ODL - weight drained, overrated or not!

[mellow_mood]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

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[dans]

Completely agree with TS on this. Floyd is the #1 P4P fighter because, well, he's the best fighter in the world. Nothing more needs to be said.

[h2k]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

I'm one of the diehard mayweather fan but i dont agree with you. I don't even have mayweather in my top 10 because what he did was fighting a midget that he outweights for 20lbs but still couldn't ko him.

[crold1]

Why is Pac assumed by some as unskilled? He's a highly skilled pressure fighter. Lots of guys can punch, but he manages to make it work by knowing how to set up shots and appears to be getting better at it.

[dans]

Why is Pac assumed by some as unskilled? He's a highly skilled pressure fighter. Lots of guys can punch, but he manages to make it work by knowing how to set up shots and appears to be getting better at it.

Some may assume he's unskilled, and that's just wrong. However, in my mind there's no comparison to the skill levels of Floyd and Pac.

Floyd has skills that matchup with anyone who's ever put on a pair.

[BennyST]

Why is Pac assumed by some as unskilled? He's a highly skilled pressure fighter. Lots of guys can punch, but he manages to make it work by knowing how to set up shots and appears to be getting better at it.

That's the argument I'm trying to make! If you beat better fighters supposed 'skill', doesn't come into it. If you beat better opposition you are the better fighter and this supposed skill that hasn't been used against greater opposition means nothing. Whoever beats the better opposition is the better fighter!

[crold1]

That's the argument I'm trying to make! If you beat better fighters supposed 'skill', doesn't come into it. If you beat better opposition you are the better fighter and this supposed skill that hasn't been used against greater opposition means nothing. Whoever beats the better opposition is the better fighter!

I agree but it's not leaps and bounds between the two in terms of their overall career. Floyd's comp takes hits, but the worst period was 03-05. Manny has had some weak periods too (2002-Barrera...2007). These are two ATG fighters...how ATG will play out over time. That said, Floyd has a certain set of skills that are nothing like Manny's. If one prefers the Mayweather skill set, so be it. But what Pac does is not easy and Mayweather could not fight like him any more than the reverse is true.

[jdawg5221]

I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.

PBF was P4P #1... Then he retired... That honor is Pac's now... Mayweather can have it after he beats Pac or one of the top Welterweights... A WW doesn't move up on any list for beating a Light Weight...

[King Koopa]

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