And just like that, Loma gets old overnight

[joseph5620]

Glad I'm a normal fan, not a race-based, country-based type of fan. I see comments being predictable just seeing the username. I don't even have to read them.

So......basically Lomachenko is predicted to be 3 to 1 underdog vs Haney or any top fighter.

Good thing is we'll soon see which fans are willing to give credit to the winner. Let's just remember all these names with their rhetoric.

The fact that you brought race into this means you're exactly what you're pretending not to be.

[Slicc]

He was 36 in 2014 and fought 4 fights by 38 and only because he had a contract with Showtime for big money. Prior to that he was 1x/year.

From 36-38 he beat Canelo, Maidana and Pacquiao. He was doing very well for himself, especially at his age.

As you get older, it's literally common knowledge to fight once a year. Your body heals so much slower and being too active puts on unnecessary miles. Training camps are extremely grueling.

Who told you it was common knowledge? What are your sources? Fighting once a year is how you wind up looking like Loma did against Ortiz. You remind me of someone who claimed that Pac's long layoff before Ugas was good for him, then come fight night he gets his ass whooped. Loma's at the very end of his prime, if not right out. I don't think he's getting better from here on out, at least physically.

[War Room]

From 36-38 he beat Canelo, Maidana and Pacquiao. He was doing very well for himself, especially at his age.

You said Mayweather fought 6 times from 36-38.

Thats 4, not 6. 2009 - 2012 he fought 1x a year.

He is TBE after all, but my point is: Floyd fought 1x a year for a lot of the 2nd half of his career. If he didn't do the $200 million Showtime deal, he would have continued with that algorithm.

Who told you it was common knowledge? What are your sources? Fighting once a year is how you wind up looking like Loma did against Ortiz. You remind me of someone who claimed that Pac's long layoff before Ugas was good for him, then come fight night he gets his ass whooped. Loma's at the very end of his prime, if not right out. I don't think he's getting better from here on out, at least physically.

My sources? You want like a medical journal or something lol? Physiology is common knowledge to me and my experience is quite vast.

Loma is 100% out of his prime, Loma was in a irl war, always had trouble against bigger talented fighters, and the kid knew what was coming from his sparring experience.

Hey man there is always the chance you get old over night and that happens sooner or later to these older fighters.

[CasperUK]

That has nothing to do with it. Wilder just fought his former sparring partner. How did that turn out for the sparring partner? It happens all the time in boxing. Some of these excuses are ridiculous.

No, it's got nothing to do with it.

Let's just chase sensational headlines instead(!)

PS: Helenius was always a big, stiff, lumbering oaf in the ring with very poor balance. He was always going to get merked against a sharp shooter like Wilder.

[joseph5620]

No, it's got nothing to do with it.

Let's just chase sensational headlines instead(!)

PS: Helenius was always a big, stiff, lumbering oaf in the ring with very poor balance. He was always going to get merked against a sharp shooter like Wilder.

Ortiz sparring with Lomachenko is a ridiculous excuse. It's sparring and with your logic Lomachenko should have had an advantage over Ortiz as well.

[War Room]

Ortiz sparring with Lomachenko is a ridiculous excuse. It's sparring and with your logic Lomachenko should have had an advantage over Ortiz as well.

Sparring is extremely key to learn another fighter. Ortiz said he was mimicking for Commey and not showing his style.

[buddyr]

more excuses for the biggest hype job since Joe Mesi.

[joseph5620]

Sparring is extremely key to learn another fighter. Ortiz said he was mimicking for Commey and not showing his style.

No, sparring is sparring. It has nothing with what happens under the lights and it damn sure isn't an excuse for a sub par Lomachenko performance. Lomachenko knew exactly who and what he was facing. Try another excuse. That one is lame.

[War Room]

No, sparring is sparring. It has nothing with what happens under the lights and it damn sure isn't an excuse for a sub par Lomachenko performance. Lomachenko knew exactly who and what he was facing. Try another excuse. That one is lame.

YDKSAB, facts.

No, sparring is controlled and sometimes uncontrolled fighting for real boxers. Done it plenty, watched champs do it plenty.

For 3 years I was a dedicated sparring partner for two world champs. They both liked me because I was good on my feet and hard to hit. I was many levels below their skill level, and several weight classes below so I went as hard as I wanted. If I somehow hurt one (which never happened), I would obviously look to dial it back but there were times one of them was trying to kill me dead in there. There was a few rounds I remember where I hardly threw anything at all because he was trying to knock me out and I'm talking 1 punch ko power.

I've been with him at away gyms where he's knocked fighters clean out and they would pay him for it.

Two guys that were really good used to whip on me in my early days, after a while I started doing the whipping because I learned their tricks.

You know why you don't see more sparring footage? Because it would influence the bookies and kill casinos. If I had that stuff when I was handicapping, I would be a multi-millionaire.

Lots of guys get dropped or knocked cold in sparring and it's not playing pitty pat. These cats are raising the war banner every session. Google Kronk Wars. I've got a lot of vhs tape on some old school pro's knocking each other out.

When you can walk the walk and know a thing or two you can't find on the internet, you can talk the talk and when someone like me speaks, you shut that yap and listen.

[BustedKnuckles]

Ortiz sparring with Lomachenko is a ridiculous excuse. It's sparring and with your logic Lomachenko should have had an advantage over Ortiz as well.

I see your logic, but I dont think it played out here. Ortiz def looked familiar and squashed a lot of Loma's attempts.

Nobody else has hung with Loma that well (I didnt see the Salido fight), and that includes Lopez, cuz he didnt handle it well when Loma finally started engaging (rounds 7 to 11), except for the stun in the 12th.