Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

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That's a very impressive performance by the Sugar man but Davey Boy Greens style is tailor made for Ray's style because Green is a slow plodding type fighter. I do think Baldomir is a much stronger 147 pounder than Green and takes a better shot. Neither are all that quick but Baldomir is bigger and takes a good punch. Vernon Forrest nailed him with some great shots and still couldn't hurt him.

The fact that Ray had such problems when Hearns boxed him makes me wonder what if a prime Ray fought a prime Terry Norris or Mayweather jr and they decided to box Ray and make him the aggressor. Tommy has more 1 punch KO power than Norris and Floyd but i think there quicker than Tommy. Especially when Norris was focused like the 2nd Simon Brown fight. You couldn't touch him. Ray looks a little puzzled when a fighter with speed boxes him and makes him have to come forward.

Damm dude..do you know anything about boxing. Lesson one...Vernon forrest even pointed this out vs mosley, and Dundee in the sports illustrated the week before the 9/16/81 showdown of leonard vs Hearns, said a taller man with reach nullifies speed 99% of the time, 100% of the time if they have a jab.

Why dont you think Mayweather even mentions Paul Williams name. Will not even mention it. Hearns is such a better fighter an size mismatch for welters, that it was damm near suicide to face him at 147-154. Ohh yeah, you all say he had a poor chin. At 147 he was 32-0 entering the leonard fight, and was never hurt. maybe he didnt take that many shots, that was becausse he was so damm dominant.

Styles makes fights. Your boy mayweather will never ever sign to face a Williams, forrest, or bigger welter. Hell he is such a fraud, he comes out of retirment to face JMM or faces Hatton because they called him out, but Margerito went up to him face to face and called him and had a contract for 8mil, which at that time represented his biggest pay day, and mayweather did not take the fight.

You say Davey boy green is tailor made for Leonard, Ok. However every single fighter Mayweather has faced has been tailor made for him. Dlh old, Judah beaten by every fighter he has faced, Hatton is just like davey boy green and was never a good welter, Jmm is a fighter who just moved up to lightweight. For idiots that try to compare him to Duran who was dominant at lightweiht, and had moved up and had already 8 fights at welter, the won titles at heavier weights, vs younge champions..They know nothing about boxing.

You keep saying faster boxers would have given fighters problems. Hearns was fast and powerful. No he did not throw the sme telegrahped 3 punch combination that Norris would always throw, ending with at left upper cut. Now you keep on tryin to look at things one way. Well what makes you thnk Prime ray could not deal with the speed of a norris, he dealt with a fast Mayweather. You keep forgetting Ray had a chin of steel befor he retired. Now what makes you think mayweather COULD deal with the speed of a leoanrd, when he could not vs dlh or judah. You a soo way off that this is funny.

[Heru]

At welterweight?

Leonard knocks Mayweather out late after toying with him from round 3 or 4 on.

Toy? Not gonna happen, Mayweather has ATG level talent and if a strategy isn't working he'll bring out another or just get on his bike and pot shot. Benitez gave him a few problems until the KO.

SRL would win though, his hand and foot speed, power, and boxing ability, not to mention his size, would be a huge problem for Floyd to handle. It could be a late KO or a UD.

[We want Floyd]

SRL already showed us that he knows how to fight that "shoulder roll", ask Floyd Sr, SRL wrecked him!!

Now, Floyd Jr is a better version of his dad. Floyd would get his @ss kicked by SRL, simply because he does not throw enough punches, he can't get away with just potshottin' Sugar Ray. Simple as that.

[RayLeonard82]

Damm dude..do you know anything about boxing. Lesson one...Vernon forrest even pointed this out vs mosley, and Dundee in the sports illustrated the week before the 9/16/81 showdown of leonard vs Hearns, said a taller man with reach nullifies speed 99% of the time, 100% of the time if they have a jab.

Why dont you think Mayweather even mentions Paul Williams name. Will not even mention it. Hearns is such a better fighter an size mismatch for welters, that it was damm near suicide to face him at 147-154. Ohh yeah, you all say he had a poor chin. At 147 he was 32-0 entering the leonard fight, and was never hurt. maybe he didnt take that many shots, that was becausse he was so damm dominant.

Styles makes fights. Your boy mayweather will never ever sign to face a Williams, forrest, or bigger welter. Hell he is such a fraud, he comes out of retirment to face JMM or faces Hatton because they called him out, but Margerito went up to him face to face and called him and had a contract for 8mil, which at that time represented his biggest pay day, and mayweather did not take the fight.

You say Davey boy green is tailor made for Leonard, Ok. However every single fighter Mayweather has faced has been tailor made for him. Dlh old, Judah beaten by every fighter he has faced, Hatton is just like davey boy green and was never a good welter, Jmm is a fighter who just moved up to lightweight. For idiots that try to compare him to Duran who was dominant at lightweiht, and had moved up and had already 8 fights at welter, the won titles at heavier weights, vs younge champions..They know nothing about boxing.

You keep saying faster boxers would have given fighters problems. Hearns was fast and powerful. No he did not throw the sme telegrahped 3 punch combination that Norris would always throw, ending with at left upper cut. Now you keep on tryin to look at things one way. Well what makes you thnk Prime ray could not deal with the speed of a norris, he dealt with a fast Mayweather. You keep forgetting Ray had a chin of steel befor he retired. Now what makes you think mayweather COULD deal with the speed of a leoanrd, when he could not vs dlh or judah. You a soo way off that this is funny.

Hearns had advantages over Norris and Floyd i will admit but both had there advantages which are different from Hearns style that would give Ray problems.

Hearns advantages over Floyd and Norris

1. Height and Reach
2. 1 Punch KO power

Advantages Floyd and Norris have that Hearns does not have that would give Ray problems.

1. Defense
2. Better Legs
3. More of a variety of punches from different angles

Hearns 1-2 jab, right hand syle with the height and reach gave Ray a lot of problems but Norris and Floyd also throw short upercuts, hooks, body shots. Not just 1-2 jab and right hand. Yes Hearns threw other shots but he mainly threw the jab followed by the right hand. Ray really wasn't all that concerned with Hearns throwing many upercuts, hooks or body shots. It was jab then the right majority of the time.

Your saying it's funny but Ray had problems with Wilfred Benitez and if yo watch that fight look at how wide Benitez throws his punches. Yet he still was able to land on Ray a lot. Ray still had command of the fight but it was a struggle. Norris and Floyd are much quicker than Benitez and punch straight down the pipe. They don't punch wide which makes you easier to counter.

Also when Ray has been hurt or stunned in his career it was the upercut that hurt him from when he was younger to the end.

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This match-up would be one for the ages both are/were amazing boxers. I think Floyd does tend to get underrated to be honest I really do think he could hang with the best of pretty much any era, at least below welter. We'll have to wait and see when he's fought more welters just how good he is at the weight.

[RayLeonard82]

If Ray fought like this against a focused Terry Norris or Floyd he would get nailed a lot with countershots. When he charges in like that he's wide open and slow plodding Ayub Kalule is able to counter him a lot. He didn't hurt Ray or win the fight but the fact that Kalule who wasn't even all that quick was able to counter Ray a lot makes me wonder what if prime Ray fought Norris or Floyd who are much quicker. Make Ray come forward and counter.

Also in this fight if you compare it to Norris at his peak or Floyd id give them the speed advantage over this Ray Leonard.

[AKATheMack]

This bout comes down to great big man vs great little man. Floyd would look good early, but hed probably end up getting hurt if not KOed.

[RayLeonard82]

Floyd has better reflex speed than Ray. Not necessarily looking pretty with the 10 punch flurry but reflex counters when he makes a guy miss. Both Floyd and a prime Roy Jones are great reflex counter punchers. Prime Roy i mean

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this fight won't happen... PBF is diabetic...

he is avoiding anything that has "SUGAR".. lol

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If Ray fought like this against a focused Terry Norris or Floyd he would get nailed a lot with countershots. When he charges in like that he's wide open and slow plodding Ayub Kalule is able to counter him a lot. He didn't hurt Ray or win the fight but the fact that Kalule who wasn't even all that quick was able to counter Ray a lot makes me wonder what if prime Ray fought Norris or Floyd who are much quicker. Make Ray come forward and counter.

Also in this fight if you compare it to Norris at his peak or Floyd id give them the speed advantage over this Ray Leonard.

You again no nothing. Look at this fight. Ray first off elected to go right after kalule. he did no boxing, no nothing. He did show angles, and counter punching. However here is the different my friend. Ray leonard got knock outs. He puched with power, and speed. Now go look at fights when ray used speed. You are primarily tryin to prove a point and not doing a very good job at it. Kalule had punching power like Mayweather. Thus ray would walk mayweather down. Mayweather could not hurt him, as neither could mayweather sr, and Ray walked these fighters down. Yes Mayweathr would catch Ray with some shots, but no one besides Duran the first time really made Ray stop in his tracks. Hearns did not, as Ray walked him down.

Now what if I went to the DLH videos on here, or the Castillo videos. What would we see in those videos.

Ray had the ability to use whatever style he needed as in this fight, he simply came out after kalule the bigger fighter. Mayweather could not even hurt or stop the much smaller man, JMM. please dont compre Jmm to Duran as again duran moved on up to weight classes up to 168, winning titles at 160. Jmm already immediately announced he is going back down to 135. Keep this in mind. Jmm was not even a solid 135 pounder. He was mostly at 128 pounder who moved up to 135, for 2 fights. What a joke. You want to get on here and hype up a fighter who instead of fighting the best welters, he picked on a 128 pounder. What a joke...