Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

[King Flawless]

How dare you insult boxing by saying "so what he beat Haglar, Hearns and Duran" that's 3 of the greatest fighters ever.

If Floyd beats Mosley and Pacquiao then we can start talking.

Why is Hagler even great?? He lost to a few bum when he started. And his best wins are over WW. There is a reason why he didn't move up. He didn't have enough skills to compensate for the weight disadvantage

Duran HAS BEEN OUTBOXED BY BUMS.

Hearns isn't that good at all. He also has been KO'd by bums.

All these fighters are overrated. I created a thread dismantling their so called greatness

[mannyman]

Lets see Mayweather beat who at Welter.

Baldomir... not a top 20 fighter
Judah .... has been beaten by every fighter worth a dammm
DLH..... 36 has lost repeatedly before fighting Mayweather.
Hatton....Never ever looked good at welter, almost as got ko'd at welter the fight before. Barely won.
Marquez....never ever fought above 135....

So help me understand who has Mayweather beaten to even justify this ****** question.

Now just to address it. Mayweather is a defensive fighter, that uses his speed advantages, reach, and in the case of Marquez size advantage, and in the case of DLH , his stamina to outlast, in the case of Judah, smarts and toughness...

What advantage would he have offensively vs Leoanrd. 0.

Leonard is just as fast, throws better combinations, has the size and reach, was in just as good as shape, is just as smart (usually), hits harder, has fought much much much better competition (hearns, hagler, beneitz, Duran). Mayweather has fought no one near this level of competition at Welter.

Mayweather keeps trying to say duran moved up to beat leoanrd but he gets a hard time for fighting marquez.

Lets set the record straight. Duran is 25 times the fighter Marquez could dream of being. Marquez was clearly over sized vs a smaller Mayweather at welter. Meaning he is not capable of fighting effectivly at Welter. Duran not only was a good welter, but he went on to win titles at jr middle, and middle weight, after his wars with Ray.
Duran did not move up to fight ray. Duran moved up 2-3 years prior, and had 8 fights at welter before fighting ray, including a fight vs a top welter Carlos palomino. Thus Duran was a solid Welter before fighting Ray. No it was not his natural weight, but he had gotten accustomed to welter before fighting Ray, marquez was not even a solid 135 pounder, and then he had to move up an additional 2 weight classes to face Mayweather.

If Sugar Ray faced Mayweather, he would be charged for ******ation.

Couldn't have put it better myself!!!

[MARKBNLV]

So what he beat Hearns.Hagler and Duran. Floyd is more skilled than all of them and is smartest boxer Leonard would ever face.

Leonard doesn't think when he boxes. He thought he could brawl with a LW, and he LOST. Floyd is superior than No Mas Coward Duran. Floyd would beat Leonard, easily. Mayweather speed is equal if not better than Leonard

You need to beef up on your boxing history before posting you sound quite fullish.

[TheGreatA]

Why is Hagler even great?? He lost to a few bum when he started. And his best wins are over WW. There is a reason why he didn't move up. He didn't have enough skills to compensate for the weight disadvantage

Duran HAS BEEN OUTBOXED BY BUMS.

Hearns isn't that good at all. He also has been KO'd by bums.

All these fighters are overrated. I created a thread dismantling their so called greatness

And you were dismantled yourself in that thread.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300531

[wpink1]

Why is Hagler even great?? He lost to a few bum when he started. And his best wins are over WW. There is a reason why he didn't move up. He didn't have enough skills to compensate for the weight disadvantage

Duran HAS BEEN OUTBOXED BY BUMS.

Hearns isn't that good at all. He also has been KO'd by bums.

All these fighters are overrated. I created a thread dismantling their so called greatness

We all have our opinions and I will respect yours.

HOWEVER,

Based on norms which is what we all generally depend on to have substantive and quality debates..your statment is weak.

Duran was outboxed by bums, ast what stage in his career. Was he not 72-2 after his fights with Ray. That is a all time top record and he beat several top fighers. He also went on to move up and beat younger bigger champions, davey moore, and Iran Barkly.

Hagler was great simply because of how he dominated the middleweight division and stopped all but one challenger of his UNIFIED middleweight championship. He brutally stopped tommy who went on and won titles up to light heavy, he was the first to beat mugabi, who was 25-0 24 ko's, hamsho, etc..You point out losses early on, each one of those where disputed and he came back and brutally ko''d that fighter.

Hearms won titles from welter to light heavy same as Leoanrd. If you want to justify Mayweather because of being undefeated and winning titles at up to jr middle..I wonder what are you judging him on.

Are you looking at the quality of opposition, and comparing it to Leonard. Name one fighter who was peak,, on ANY respected historian, magazine, expert, poll, that Mayweather beat that is in the top 100 pound per pound list. Name one. You can not. Ray leonard beat 4. Three of these are unanamous. So you can target ray, any one can target a person, sit at home and talk ****..But justify Mayweather. What has he done..

[Roger Mellie]

We all have our opinions and I will respect yours.

HOWEVER,

Based on norms which is what we all generally depend on to have substantive and quality debates..your statment is weak.

Duran was outboxed by bums, ast what stage in his career. Was he not 72-2 after his fights with Ray. That is a all time top record and he beat several top fighers. He also went on to move up and beat younger bigger champions, davey moore, and Iran Barkly.

Hagler was great simply because of how he dominated the middleweight division and stopped all but one challenger of his UNIFIED middleweight championship. He brutally stopped tommy who went on and won titles up to light heavy, he was the first to beat mugabi, who was 25-0 24 ko's, hamsho, etc..You point out losses early on, each one of those where disputed and he came back and brutally ko''d that fighter.

Hearms won titles from welter to light heavy same as Leoanrd. If you want to justify Mayweather because of being undefeated and winning titles at up to jr middle..I wonder what are you judging him on.

Are you looking at the quality of opposition, and comparing it to Leonard. Name one fighter who was peak,, on ANY respected historian, magazine, expert, poll, that Mayweather beat that is in the top 100 pound per pound list. Name one. You can not. Ray leonard beat 4. Three of these are unanamous. So you can target ray, any one can target a person, sit at home and talk ****..But justify Mayweather. What has he done..

Good post,and also It needs pointing out that the four fighters from that great era werent shy about facing each other in the ring. Could anyone honestly imagine any of those four saying some **** like,"I aint fighting him,he dont bring nothing to the table".
****ing laughable some of this nuthugger nonsense!

[photomane]

How do you lot see the fight going?

Mayweather would beat him because Ray Leonard liked to sho boat too much and Money would beat his ass. I honestly believe Mayweather could have beat all them guys like Leonard, Duran, & Sweet Pea.

[wpink1]

Mayweather would beat him because Ray Leonard liked to sho boat too much and Money would beat his ass. I honestly believe Mayweather could have beat all them guys like Leonard, Duran, & Sweet Pea.

obviously this idiot did not see prime Sugar ray leonard.

[RayLeonard82]

Ray didn't fight many fighters with speed back then so it's hard to judge how the fight would go against Mayweather. It's easy to say Ray would win easy because we sometimes favor older eras but who did he fight with great speed outside of Hearns. Speed kills and can nulify a aggressive fighter.

Id assume Ray would be the aggressor but that could backfire with Floyd picking off his shots and countering his way to a decision. Foyd is a exceptional defensive fighter so those Flurries Ray throws would be blocked often. Ray would have to really work to connect with any type of consistency and he would get countered a lot.

[TheGreatA]

Ray didn't fight many fighters with speed back then so it's hard to judge how the fight would go against Mayweather. It's easy to say Ray would win easy because we sometimes favor older eras but who did he fight with great speed outside of Hearns. Speed kills and can nulify a aggressive fighter.

Id assume Ray would be the aggressor but that could backfire with Floyd picking off his shots and countering his way to a decision. Foyd is a exceptional defensive fighter so those Flurries Ray throws would be blocked often. Ray would have to really work to connect with any type of consistency and he would get countered a lot.

Who did Floyd fight with speed other than Zab Judah?

Oscar De La Hoya? Maybe Juan Manuel Marquez? Are those fighters any faster than Benitez or Duran?

Even Floyd's father was pretty fast but Leonard eventually beat him down.

Leonard would not exactly have to chase after Floyd because he is rangier and possibly faster. Judah was beating Mayweather to the punch until Floyd took the fight to him by being the aggressor.