Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

[RayLeonard82]

Floyd is a much better defensive fighter than Ayub Kalule and a better fighter. It really isn't even close. The difference in walking down Kalule is Ayub could be hit while with Floyd those flurries Ray is throwing i can see Floyd blocking a lot of those shots. Ray is telegraphing a lot of his shots. To me Ray doesn't look extremely quick in this fight. His speed looks very good and he is punching in volume and the aggressor. Over aggressive fighters are not the style fighters to beat Floyd Mayweather so this approach Ray is using would end up in him losing a decision.

I think a quick fighter 6-0, 6-1 with a long reach with speed that knows how to fight tall and keep the proper distance. Meaning punch and step back, jab step back. Drop in a right hand, combo but not out of control. This style would beat Floyd. I think Ray would be aggressive cause he would feel he is he stronger fighter. That would backfire.

Ray's style in the Kalule fight of just coming forward and trying to walk through Floyd leaving himself wide open. Floyd would block that and counter his way to a decision.

[onetwopunch]

Sugar Ray Leonard..Sugar ray beat Benitez, and Benitez was a defensive wizard. Plus Sugar Ray beat all the ATG's he fought in a golden era.

[wpink1]

Floyd is a much better defensive fighter than Ayub Kalule and a better fighter. It really isn't even close. The difference in walking down Kalule is Ayub could be hit while with Floyd those flurries Ray is throwing i can see Floyd blocking a lot of those shots. Ray is telegraphing a lot of his shots. To me Ray doesn't look extremely quick in this fight. His speed looks very good and he is punching in volume and the aggressor. Over aggressive fighters are not the style fighters to beat Floyd Mayweather so this approach Ray is using would end up in him losing a decision.

I think a quick fighter 6-0, 6-1 with a long reach with speed that knows how to fight tall and keep the proper distance. Meaning punch and step back, jab step back. Drop in a right hand, combo but not out of control. This style would beat Floyd. I think Ray would be aggressive cause he would feel he is he stronger fighter. That would backfire.

Ray's style in the Kalule fight of just coming forward and trying to walk through Floyd leaving himself wide open. Floyd would block that and counter his way to a decision.

You still have not said what Mayweather will do to win the fight. He will not sit back and pot shot a Ray leonard en route to a victory. He will have to come on and win it. You have never mentioned how he will come out of his shell and take the fight to Ray.

You can go on and on about this and that..Leonard approached kalule like this because he could. kalule could not hurt him. Now he would not fight Mayweather quit like, just look at how he fought Benetiz. You know actually i think your just sitting back saying ****** stufff on purpose. To see him fight kalule the forget that we discussed how he fought Benetiz..well you can go on and argue with yourself.

Funny no one...not fans, (133 -20) not any experts, no one besides floyd, floyd's uncle and you...think he his up there wih a leonard. There is a reason. HE HAS NOT FOUGHT ANYBOBDY.

[RayLeonard82]

What do you mean saying things on purpose? I look at the Benitez and Kalule fights and picture that being Floyd who is much quicker than both. Much quicker and sharper with his punches. Ray had a lot of controversy in those big victories. To be honest he didn't dominate Duran like ppl say. Watch that fight again. It's like 4 rounds to 3 when Duran quits and all he's doing is running around the ring. Hearns was dominating the fight and his chin and stamina give way. Hearns getting knocked out by Barkley and Hagler to me takes away from Ray's victory cause of Tommy's weak chin. If Floyd builds a early lead and Ray starts being over aggressive that would actually it easier for Floyd. The Hagler fight he waited until Hagler was old and slow. Instead of taking on Michael Nunn he fights Donny Lalonde. Instead of fighting Julian Jackson who knocked out Norris he fights Norris.

Had Ray fought young fighters earlier than 1991 he probably gets knocked out 10 years before Camacho.

[hollister]

Floyd is a much better defensive fighter than Ayub Kalule and a better fighter. It really isn't even close. The difference in walking down Kalule is Ayub could be hit while with Floyd those flurries Ray is throwing i can see Floyd blocking a lot of those shots. Ray is telegraphing a lot of his shots. To me Ray doesn't look extremely quick in this fight. His speed looks very good and he is punching in volume and the aggressor. Over aggressive fighters are not the style fighters to beat Floyd Mayweather so this approach Ray is using would end up in him losing a decision.

I think a quick fighter 6-0, 6-1 with a long reach with speed that knows how to fight tall and keep the proper distance. Meaning punch and step back, jab step back. Drop in a right hand, combo but not out of control. This style would beat Floyd. I think Ray would be aggressive cause he would feel he is he stronger fighter. That would backfire.

Ray's style in the Kalule fight of just coming forward and trying to walk through Floyd leaving himself wide open. Floyd would block that and counter his way to a decision.

The problem with that logic is that Leonard could and would change his style mid-fight, and still had the reach and size to stick the jab all night with occasional flurries (which he was known to do) whereas Floyd only has one style that would even give him a chance: try to counter Ray and not get knocked out. Now for a real nightmare, imagine Floyd trying to pull the rope a dope on Hearns, getting jabbed, catching those hooks on his forearms and shoulders...Margarito is the closest we have to Hearns and even though he has none of the speed, power, or skills that Hearns had, Floyd wouldn't fight him even for a quick paycheck (since it was such a mismatch) lol

[hollister]

What do you mean saying things on purpose? I look at the Benitez and Kalule fights and picture that being Floyd who is much quicker than both. Much quicker and sharper with his punches. Ray had a lot of controversy in those big victories. To be honest he didn't dominate Duran like ppl say. Watch that fight again. It's like 4 rounds to 3 when Duran quits and all he's doing is running around the ring. Hearns was dominating the fight and his chin and stamina give way. Hearns getting knocked out by Barkley and Hagler to me takes away from Ray's victory cause of Tommy's weak chin. If Floyd builds a early lead and Ray starts being over aggressive that would actually it easier for Floyd. The Hagler fight he waited until Hagler was old and slow. Instead of taking on Michael Nunn he fights Donny Lalonde. Instead of fighting Julian Jackson who knocked out Norris he fights Norris.

Had Ray fought young fighters earlier than 1991 he probably gets knocked out 10 years before Camacho.

Hearns didn't have a glass chin, those were both hard hitting middleweights.

[Roxas]

it's a tossup.....

for all the jokers saying Leonard whud kill him in 5 rounds or less. Floyd SR went 10 rounds with Leonard and he wasn't even a world class fighter himself.....

[hollister]

I don't think Leonard would kill him as I think that PBF's defense would make it really difficult to land on him cleanly, but I think that by the time the final bell rang, Leonard would be dominating Mayweather with the sheer volume of punches he'd be throwing at a Mayweather that would be gunshy by that point and completely in defensive mode. The difference in greatness would be evident lol

[wpink1]

What do you mean saying things on purpose? I look at the Benitez and Kalule fights and picture that being Floyd who is much quicker than both. Much quicker and sharper with his punches. Ray had a lot of controversy in those big victories. To be honest he didn't dominate Duran like ppl say. Watch that fight again. It's like 4 rounds to 3 when Duran quits and all he's doing is running around the ring. Hearns was dominating the fight and his chin and stamina give way. Hearns getting knocked out by Barkley and Hagler to me takes away from Ray's victory cause of Tommy's weak chin. If Floyd builds a early lead and Ray starts being over aggressive that would actually it easier for Floyd. The Hagler fight he waited until Hagler was old and slow. Instead of taking on Michael Nunn he fights Donny Lalonde. Instead of fighting Julian Jackson who knocked out Norris he fights Norris.

Had Ray fought young fighters earlier than 1991 he probably gets knocked out 10 years before Camacho.

Ray what i am saying is everything you say, is false. No one ever said Leoanrd dominated Duran. Where was that said. What was said, is that in the 2nd fight he was beating, outboxing duran, and not it was not running. look again at the many times duran ran in this time and ran into combinations. Now your talkinig about countering. When duran ran into the Leonard that wanted to box, duran would rush in and leonard landed fast, sharp and multiple punch counters...Round two, 4,5, 7... We are talking about a top 10 fighter all time, and then the 1st fight leoanrd and duran fought a war, that Mayweather to his credit would never get involved in because he is not tough enough. Now compare that fight to Castillo. Hmmm you want to talk about doing nothing but running. Castillo is not even worthy of caring Duran's jock.

Hearns, you are so damm false your becoming irratating. Hearns was not dominating the fight, as you and some who try to make is sound that way, say. In rounds 3, leoanrd made hearns fight him, in rounds 6 and 7, leoanrd damm near stopped Tommmy. Round 8 tommy ran away from ray away as he did not want any more punishment. 9-12, hearns used his tremendous 78inch reach to out box the shorter Leonard. rounds 13 leonard dropped him, and round 14 stopped him. Now if that fight had been scored on todays scoring system, it would have been even going into the last round, and heanrs was clearly not in a position to deal with Ray. I suggest again you learn your stuff.
Also you ****** rant about Tommy was beating him,, Duran not dominated by him. GUESS WHAT, these where top all time fighters fighting during their peak. Mayweather refuses to fight any top fighters. You are too dammned stuck on ****** and slamming Ray, for what he did when he was a shot fighter, or vs top all time fighters, that you do not use the same scale of quality fighters vs your beloved Gayweather.
How about you sit back and think. Ray leonard fights a undefeated Tommy, while Mayweather refuses to fight magerito. Ray fights Duran,Mayweather refuses to fight cotto, mosly. Ray leonard comes out of retirment fights hagler,Mayweatherfights Jmm who fought most of his career at 128, only 2 fights at 135, 0 at 140 and above. hmmmm I wonder why. Mayweather backs out of fght with Winky wright.

Now again you ignore the fact that since Ali no one has beaten more top all time top fighters at their peak, hearns, hagler, benetiz, duran. Mayweather has fought 0, only a 36 year old DLH, who has lost almost all of his previous fights before Mayweather and was stopped shortly after that, by a feather weight who moved up to his first fight ever at 147. Now you say he waited until Hagler was old and slow. Hmmm lets see, again you show you now nothing about boxing.

Lets examine the word wait.

Wait. Ray was had at the time a injury that was considered career ending, and risked blindness if reinjured. In fact he had both eyes operated on. Now during this 5 years, Hagler aged true, but hmmm So did Ray. During this 5 years, hagler was active, Ray was not. During this five years, hagler only beat his toughest foes by KO, Hearns, Hamsho, Mugabi. No slippage there, all by ko..Mugabi was the undefeated jr middl champion who at the time had not been beaten before. Hagler broke him, and stopped him. Leoanrd moved up to Hagler no tune up, and beat him. Hagler was 32 years old, and had not lost a fight in his previous 10 years, had stopped all but one contender for his title. Who has Mayweather fought anywhere near this.

You say ray ducked Nunn, and these other fighters. Well your right, when Ray leoanrd came back from retirment he realized he had none of what he had in 81. He had damaged his body from ******* abuse, his reflexes badly slowed due to age, inactivity, cocain etc. However he was till able to beat Duran, draw with hearns, and beat Hagler. Now you leave out that leading up to hagler leoanrd had taken on and beat 4 top all time fighters, and Maywether 0. You say Ray ducked Nunn etc. WTF...is this not the pot calling the kettle black. Who has Mayweather accept a fight with that is peak and great, and mayweather is during his peak years. He will not fight margerito, cotto, mosley, Hatton at 140, etc. Just exactly is your point comparing ray resume to Mayweather resume. I must of gotten under your skin and you fired off some ******, ignorant post. Cause that has to be the dumbest comparison of all time. Gayweather resume vs Leonard Resume.

Oh you keep talking about fighting fast fighters, Hearns and Duran, and benetiz were fast fighters. Maybe you need to check yiour facts again. Duran had some of he best defensive head movement in the game too. Hearns was fast with reach and power, something maywether clealry is scared of as he will not even face a poor mans tommy in Margerito nor has he mentioned paul williams name. Benetiz is a great defensive fighter.

Also to the perosn that try to target ray for his allowing SR to go 10 rounds with him. I ask did you see how bad ray was beating him those 10 rounds.

Wow many of you know nothing about boxing.

[BennyST]

That's a very impressive performance by the Sugar man but Davey Boy Greens style is tailor made for Ray's style because Green is a slow plodding type fighter. I do think Baldomir is a much stronger 147 pounder than Green and takes a better shot. Neither are all that quick but Baldomir is bigger and takes a good punch. Vernon Forrest nailed him with some great shots and still couldn't hurt him.

The fact that Ray had such problems when Hearns boxed him makes me wonder what if a prime Ray fought a prime Terry Norris or Mayweather jr and they decided to box Ray and make him the aggressor. Tommy has more 1 punch KO power than Norris and Floyd but i think there quicker than Tommy. Especially when Norris was focused like the 2nd Simon Brown fight. You couldn't touch him. Ray looks a little puzzled when a fighter with speed boxes him and makes him have to come forward.

Wow, so you say that Green is tailor made for Ray but then what was Baldomir, Hatton, Oscar, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, Mitchell, Marquez, and the very large majority of his opponents?

Secondly, Norris and Floyd both have quicker hands than Hearns? I don't think so. Not only is it harder to look quicker with the reach of Hearns, but the fact is he is one the quickest fighters that has ever fought. He is as fast as Norris, Floyd, Leonard etc etc. Just go watch him at WW and 154. Not only that but he throws with full power which is also much harder to do with speed.

I have no idea if you've actually boxed, but, it is a hell of a lot slower to throw punches with power than with speed. Hearns throws with full power as fast as Mayweather or Norris. Mayweather throws with speed only, and rarely ever does he load up, being so defensive minded. Hearns is still as fast, and his and Leonard's jab were quicker than Floyds (the WW Floyd anyway, which is who we're talking about).