Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

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Floyd doesn't fight good welterweights, he fights welterweights who suck or blown up lightweights.

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Ray didn't fight many fighters with speed back then so it's hard to judge how the fight would go against Mayweather. It's easy to say Ray would win easy because we sometimes favor older eras but who did he fight with great speed outside of Hearns. Speed kills and can nulify a aggressive fighter.

Id assume Ray would be the aggressor but that could backfire with Floyd picking off his shots and countering his way to a decision. Foyd is a exceptional defensive fighter so those Flurries Ray throws would be blocked often. Ray would have to really work to connect with any type of consistency and he would get countered a lot.

Your still at it? Floyd has great counter punching ability, and is very very fast. I ask you to go back to footage of Floyd vs 36 yr old DLH. Where was Floyds great counter punching that night. He did nothing until round 8, besides lay on the ropes. Dlh was owning him with the jab. It was not a matter of how good Floyd was that night, but moreso a matter of DLH tiring out.

Now generally you argue something logically, based upon facts, or accepted norms. I could say Leonard would beat Tyson, because of this or that. That staement is generally regarded as false and crazy, because Ray neve fough at heavy, etc. Samething your doing on here with Mayweather. You trying to say @ welterweight he could deal with Ray, based off what. Beating what top welters? What welter possessed size, speed, reach, boxing abilty, chin, smarts did mayweather ever fight. He has bot fought anyone even remotly close to the all around fighter that Ray is.

[RayLeonard82]

Who did Floyd fight with speed other than Zab Judah?

Oscar De La Hoya? Maybe Juan Manuel Marquez? Are those fighters any faster than Benitez or Duran?

Even Floyd's father was pretty fast but Leonard eventually beat him down.

Leonard would not exactly have to chase after Floyd because he is rangier and possibly faster. Judah was beating Mayweather to the punch until Floyd took the fight to him by being the aggressor.

Id give the edge in speed to Floyd which is important. Ray had combination speed but Floyd is a quicker counterpuncher. Make a guy miss and immedietely counter. There styles of speed are different.

I think counterpunch speed is more important than volume speed where ur just throwing a lot of punches.

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Floyd haven't even fought a Top Welter and now we're matching him against the likes of SRL?
Floyd struggled against an Old DelaHoya. enough said.

[TheGreatA]

Id give the edge in speed to Floyd which is important. Ray had combination speed but Floyd is a quicker counterpuncher. Make a guy miss and immedietely counter. There styles of speed are different.

I think counterpunch speed is more important than volume speed where ur just throwing a lot of punches.

He had plenty speed in one punch as well.

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Leonard UD12 Mayweather

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Id give the edge in speed to Floyd which is important. Ray had combination speed but Floyd is a quicker counterpuncher. Make a guy miss and immedietely counter. There styles of speed are different.

I think counterpunch speed is more important than volume speed where ur just throwing a lot of punches.

Again, it is obvious you have not boxed before, and have not studied prime Leonard. Most fighters when they face inferior opposition let their hands go much faster, can time their punches much better(which has just as much to do with speed & counterpunching as does raw speed), can set their opponents up for checks hooks etc, and this not only show cases their speed, but gives the perception that they are faster than they really are. Also when you have the reach your countering ability is magnified, as your opponent is automatically within reachvof your shots.

Perfect example. Roy jones looked like his speed had returned vs Tito, because tito was ****, roy had the reach, could counter at will etc. Thus people ( probably like yourself) where clamoring for a calzaghe jones fight, thinking his reflexes & speed had returned. Look at how slow he looked vs calzaghe. Then look at how fast he looked after that vs lacy.

Floyd is fast, but did he look fast vs zab when Judah was focused. Did he show those counterpunching abilities vs DLH, or any speed while DLH had his stamina? NO

All that he would vs a Prime Leonard would be exactly what he did vs DLH, nothing but be a defensive fighter trying to counter. Guess what Ray is not gonna tire. Guess what? Ray has the reach and equal speed. Guess what Ray hits MUCH HARDER. Guessvwhat, Ray has a great jab! Guess what? Ray would love for Floyd to try to get into a exchange. Ray would love for Floyd to try to throw that Right hand lead.

This fight would be a easy decision for peak Ray, resembling how Ray whipped his fast, undefeated shoulder rolling daddy

[RayLeonard82]

He had plenty speed in one punch as well.

That's a very impressive performance by the Sugar man but Davey Boy Greens style is tailor made for Ray's style because Green is a slow plodding type fighter. I do think Baldomir is a much stronger 147 pounder than Green and takes a better shot. Neither are all that quick but Baldomir is bigger and takes a good punch. Vernon Forrest nailed him with some great shots and still couldn't hurt him.

The fact that Ray had such problems when Hearns boxed him makes me wonder what if a prime Ray fought a prime Terry Norris or Mayweather jr and they decided to box Ray and make him the aggressor. Tommy has more 1 punch KO power than Norris and Floyd but i think there quicker than Tommy. Especially when Norris was focused like the 2nd Simon Brown fight. You couldn't touch him. Ray looks a little puzzled when a fighter with speed boxes him and makes him have to come forward.

[bojangles1987]

That's a very impressive performance by the Sugar man but Davey Boy Greens style is tailor made for Ray's style because Green is a slow plodding type fighter. I do think Baldomir is a much stronger 147 pounder than Green and takes a better shot. Neither are all that quick but Baldomir is bigger and takes a good punch. Vernon Forrest nailed him with some great shots and still couldn't hurt him.

The fact that Ray had such problems when Hearns boxed him makes me wonder what if a prime Ray fought a prime Terry Norris or Mayweather jr and they decided to box Ray and make him the aggressor. Tommy has more 1 punch KO power than Norris and Floyd but i think there quicker than Tommy. Especially when Norris was focused like the 2nd Simon Brown fight. You couldn't touch him. Ray looks a little puzzled when a fighter with speed boxes him and makes him have to come forward.

Hearns was effective boxing Leonard because he was bigger and could hurt Leonard. Floyd is smaller and much more defensive, that wouldn't work against Sugar Ray.

[TheGreatA]

That's a very impressive performance by the Sugar man but Davey Boy Greens style is tailor made for Ray's style because Green is a slow plodding type fighter. I do think Baldomir is a much stronger 147 pounder than Green and takes a better shot. Neither are all that quick but Baldomir is bigger and takes a good punch. Vernon Forrest nailed him with some great shots and still couldn't hurt him.

The fact that Ray had such problems when Hearns boxed him makes me wonder what if a prime Ray fought a prime Terry Norris or Mayweather jr and they decided to box Ray and make him the aggressor. Tommy has more 1 punch KO power than Norris and Floyd but i think there quicker than Tommy. Especially when Norris was focused like the 2nd Simon Brown fight. You couldn't touch him. Ray looks a little puzzled when a fighter with speed boxes him and makes him have to come forward.

Neither Norris or Mayweather have Hearns' reach.

I also think Hearns could match handspeed with both.





Leonard looks no more puzzled than Mayweather did in the early rounds against Zab Judah. I think Sugar Ray is far better at being the aggressor than Floyd.