Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

[JM1]

leonard knocks him in the early rds

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Akub Kalue made Ray miss a lot also and even though Ray had command he still struggled a little bit. I wouldn't call it a very impressive performance. Kalule made Ray miss a lot of Ray had some problems with his southpaw style. Floyd is 10 times quicker than Kalule and a southpaw also.

Ray never faced a fighter with tremendous speed until Terry Norris but that was when he was 34 years old and past his prime. What i mean about speed is a fighter with speed but from all angles. Hooks, upercuts, right hands, cross.

If you watch that 2nd Hearns vs Leonard fight. Watch the 1st 2 rounds when Ray bends down to throw his jab to the body. I know he's older right there but that's a good example of Hearns not being a quick counterpuncheor with his left hook or left upercut cause Ray is wide open for those 2 shots when he bends down to jab like that.

Parnter...I appreciate what you trying to do here, but you are not building a case.

No ray did not face this type of fighter, did Mayweather? Please dont say Judah as he has speed with no substance.

Now you know we should not gain anything from the 2nd hearns leonard fight. They where both shells of themselves.

I give you that Mayweather is a great counter puncher, but he sure didnt show it vs Judah or DlH in the 1st parts of these fights, and Ray only gets stronger as the fight goes on just ask Benetiz, Kalule, Hearns, etc..all these fights got stopped in the later rounds.

They both have major major speed. Just like ray has never faced the speed of Mayweather. Mayweather never faced the speed of ray, the power at 147 of ray, the combinations of Ray... The stamina of ray. Etc...

[The Noose]

Akub Kalue made Ray miss a lot also and even though Ray had command he still struggled a little bit. I wouldn't call it a very impressive performance. Kalule made Ray miss a lot of Ray had some problems with his southpaw style. Floyd is 10 times quicker than Kalule and a southpaw also.

Ray never faced a fighter with tremendous speed until Terry Norris but that was when he was 34 years old and past his prime. What i mean about speed is a fighter with speed but from all angles. Hooks, upercuts, right hands, cross.

If you watch that 2nd Hearns vs Leonard fight. Watch the 1st 2 rounds when Ray bends down to throw his jab to the body. I know he's older right there but that's a good example of Hearns not being a quick counterpuncheor with his left hook or left upercut cause Ray is wide open for those 2 shots when he bends down to jab like that.

Leonard - Hearns 2 was when they were both much older, past their primes.

The best example of a skillful boxer with great defence is Benitez, and that wasnt Leonards best performance. It was his first title shot.
Hearns couldnt stop Benitez, yet Leonard fought a smart fight and knocked him out. He even floored him with his jab.

Against Floyd Leonard wouldnt fight the way he did against Kalule. He could fight in different styles, as a boxer mover, as a fast counter puncher, and a pressure fighter, on the inside.

I think if Oscar and Zudah at times could out speed Floyd, and hit him with their jab, Leonards jab would give Floyd a nightmare. And Floyd couldnt mix it up with Loenard.
Look art how Floyd was reluctant to try and put JMM away. He tried taking chances against a fighter who coulnt hurt him, but Floyd cant brawl like other fighters can.

IMO Leonard would feint, and jab the hell outa Floyd at range, and would be too fast, too strong, too big and too smart for Floyd to deal with.

[RayLeonard82]

That is gotcha question, as who has floyd faced that simply is a good fighter at 147 and is peak. Who has floyd faced with the speed of Ray combined with the total package. Who has floyd faced anywhere near a duran. The closest was Castillo who many believe beat him. Imagine if that had been duran that night.

Finally, you are sadly mistaken about hearns and his left hook. He was know for his right hand, but he had a GREAT, left hook too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7oJEdmP0A

You will see plenty of power left hooks and uppercuts. Yes his vaunted right hand made headlines, but he had much more power with his left hook, and the wing span of his hooks was something that Mayweather does not have either.

I strongly suggest you look at prime Hearns at 147-154. Mayweather possessing nothing near the match up problem hearns does. Yes he would be a defensive nightmare, but offensily Leonard would laught at Mayweather, he would only counter...that is it. Ray would be hoping and praying that Maywether wanted to exchange with him.

That's a great video and im very familair with Hearns style. Again i will admit Hearns has much power than Floyd and it's not even close but it's a completely different style matchup.

How about we look at Hearns weaknesses.

1. Defense
2. Stamina
3. Ability to take or throw a body shot
4. Inside fighting

Floyd is good at all 4 and because of that could make it a more difficult matchup for Ray. Not saying he hurt Ray but beat him in a ugly chess match over 12 rounds.

Even though Tommy was very powerful and his knockouts looked ridiculously impressive, his over aggressive attack, inability to take a shot and conditioning problems actually played in the hands of Ray over a long fight just like there 1989 fight. Had that fight gone 1 more round Ray stops him again because of stamina issues.

Tommy's weaknesses are Floyd's strength and Tommy's strengths are Floyd's weakness which is height and 1 punch KO power.

Wish they could have fought

[illmatickid]

Wouldn't happen... Sugar Ray is a Welterwieght...

did you really just say that?

[illmatickid]

i honestly think if could go either way but im rootin for floyd no matter what happens

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Akub Kalue made Ray miss a lot also and even though Ray had command he still struggled a little bit. I wouldn't call it a very impressive performance. Kalule made Ray miss a lot of Ray had some problems with his southpaw style. Floyd is 10 times quicker than Kalule and a southpaw also.

Ray never faced a fighter with tremendous speed until Terry Norris but that was when he was 34 years old and past his prime. What i mean about speed is a fighter with speed but from all angles. Hooks, upercuts, right hands, cross.

If you watch that 2nd Hearns vs Leonard fight. Watch the 1st 2 rounds when Ray bends down to throw his jab to the body. I know he's older right there but that's a good example of Hearns not being a quick counterpuncheor with his left hook or left upercut cause Ray is wide open for those 2 shots when he bends down to jab like that.

Ayub Kalule did not make Leonard miss a lot. What fight where you looking at. Ray came right at Kalule, was right on top of him, and landed pretty much everything he through. You may want to go revisit it.

Not saying Kalula is a Mayweather but Ray was criticised becaue he was not ablle to stop him earlier.

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Leonard - Hearns 2 was when they were both much older, past their primes.

The best example of a skillful boxer with great defence is Benitez, and that wasnt Leonards best performance. It was his first title shot.
Hearns couldnt stop Benitez, yet Leonard fought a smart fight and knocked him out. He even floored him with his jab.

Against Floyd Leonard wouldnt fight the way he did against Kalule. He could fight in different styles, as a boxer mover, as a fast counter puncher, and a pressure fighter, on the inside.

I think if Oscar and Zudah at times could out speed Floyd, and hit him with their jab, Leonards jab would give Floyd a nightmare. And Floyd couldnt mix it up with Loenard.
Look art how Floyd was reluctant to try and put JMM away. He tried taking chances against a fighter who coulnt hurt him, but Floyd cant brawl like other fighters can.

IMO Leonard would feint, and jab the hell outa Floyd at range, and would be too fast, too strong, too big and too smart for Floyd to deal with.

Exaclty what I am trying to tell this guy.....

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That's a great video and im very familair with Hearns style. Again i will admit Hearns has much power than Floyd and it's not even close but it's a completely different style matchup.

How about we look at Hearns weaknesses.

1. Defense
2. Stamina
3. Ability to take or throw a body shot
4. Inside fighting

Floyd is good at all 4 and because of that could make it a more difficult matchup for Ray. Not saying he hurt Ray but beat him in a ugly chess match over 12 rounds.

Even though Tommy was very powerful and his knockouts looked ridiculously impressive, his over aggressive attack, inability to take a shot and conditioning problems actually played in the hands of Ray over a long fight just like there 1989 fight. Had that fight gone 1 more round Ray stops him again because of stamina issues.

Tommy's weaknesses are Floyd's strength and Tommy's strengths are Floyd's weakness which is height and 1 punch KO power.

Wish they could have fought

The fourt strenghts you just said, where strenghts Benetiz enjoyed. Leonard beat him, solidly. Are you on crack...he barely beat a shot Dlh and only beat him because dlh lost every round from rounds 8 on. Ray gets better, in fact ray was used to fighting 15 rounds fights.

Actually unless Mayweather did something you have never seen him do, this fight is pretty much onssided. Ray's speed, power and jab, would keep a fighter who is defensive vs much lessor foes, this would keep him defensive. Ultimiately he would have to start exchanging, and getting under the jab.

Mayweather speed is great, however he always enjoy a reach advantage, and his only time dealing with a person with a great jab, he failed. He was down 5-2 on every scorecared vs DLH, before DlH lost his stamina and stopped jabbing. Remember how effective a jab can be. Hearns, jab vs Ray, Forrest jab vs Mosley. Dlh jab vs Mayweather. Ray had a great jab, and would easily use it vs Mayweather. This is actually a very easy fight.

leoanrd would have no respect for Mayweathers power, thus he would willingly force exchanges.

[RayLeonard82]

Both would be facing a style they have never faced. Floyd has never faced a 147 pounder the caliber of Ray with speed, power, size, athletisism, ability to box Floyd also. Ray has never faced a fighter like Floyd who has speed also, but mainly counterpunch speed, defensive ability, in shape with great conditioning and smart.

Even though Hagler has a big name, his 1987 style was tailer made for Ray. No way does Ray get away with those under hand combos against a quick young fighter. Hagler put his head down and those under hand combos were there. It's kinda like when Roy Jones fought Jeff Lacy, not saying he's close to Hagler but his style of bending his head down to plod inside made Roy's underhand combos look great. But when Roy fought a fighter with speed that also knew how to distance himself on defense, ability to take a step back from Roy and counter it was a totally different story. But Roy was no where close to his prime so that's a different story.

I do think the 1991 version of SRL is equal to the 1987 version with the difference being he fought a younger fighter with speed