Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

[We want Floyd]

Leonard can brawl against the best of 'em and he can shoe-shine, err box with the best of 'em(lol)

Leonard throws combinations with blinding speed, and that's definitely gonna be a problem for Floyd, I got Leonard by late-round tko or a decisive UD.

One component that Floyd does have over SRL is his vision, Floyd's eyes have x-ray on 'em. F**k checkin' fighters for steroids, they need to check Floyd if he's wearing x-ray vision lenses, seriously

[firstborn]

Leonard wins because he can change the pace and become a brawler or a boxer when needed. Lately Floyd has settled into a pure boxer. If Floyd continued with his offensive from his 130lbs-135lbs days it would be a better match up.

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Leonard can brawl against the best of 'em and he can shoe-shine, err box with the best of 'em(lol)

Leonard throws combinations with blinding speed, and that's definitely gonna be a problem for Floyd, I got Leonard by late-round tko or a decisive UD.

One component that Floyd does have over SRL is his vision, Floyd's eyes have x-ray on 'em. F**k checkin' fighters for steroids, they need to check Floyd if he's wearing x-ray vision lenses, seriously

You may want to look at pre-retirment fights of Leoanrd vs the same quality of fighters Mayweather faces. Look at how bad Mayweather looked vs a 36 year old dlH, who had a jab. I say this because many people remember Ray vs legends, duran, hearns, hagler, or after he came back from retirment. I challenge people to look at ray vs fighters like Davey Boy Green, Andy price, Kalule, Chavarini. These fighters are the same quality of fighters that Mayweather faced, and ray was peak...and he did things offensily that Mayweather could only dream off, and with POWER...

[RayLeonard82]

When i look at Ray against Davey Boy Green and Kalule i see 2 opponents that are extremely slow.

Floyd would be a style Ray has only faced twice

1. Floyd's father - It took Ray 10 rounds to put him away
2. Benitez - 15 rounds but it was a tough fight

Floyd is much quicker than both, a much better athlete, smarter, better conditioned and his counterpunch speed is 10 notches better than both.

Boxing is all about matchups. Just because Hearns was undefeated and had 1 punch KO power. That doesn't mean Floyd would be a easier matchup because his style is different and he wouldnt be there to be hit.

As good as Hearns was he can be hit. Thats why he was knocked out 3 times

[RayLeonard82]

Here's a question?

In Ray's prime who did he fight who had great speed? Hearns had very good speed but he lacked hooks, upercuts in his arsenal. It was mainly jab, right hand and he wasn't a good inside fighter back in 1981.

Floyd doesn't have Hearns 1 punch KO power but he is much more versatile with his variety of shots from different angles and a quicker counterpuncher.

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When i look at Ray against Davey Boy Green and Kalule i see 2 opponents that are extremely slow.

Floyd would be a style Ray has only faced twice

1. Floyd's father - It took Ray 10 rounds to put him away
2. Benitez - 15 rounds but it was a tough fight

Floyd is much quicker than both, a much better athlete, smarter, better conditioned and his counterpunch speed is 10 notches better than both.

Boxing is all about matchups. Just because Hearns was undefeated and had 1 punch KO power. That doesn't mean Floyd would be a easier matchup because his style is different and he wouldnt be there to be hit.

As good as Hearns was he can be hit. Thats why he was knocked out 3 times

Floyds father was totally pounded for 10 rounds, was pretty much 10-8 rounds each round after round 3... Not sure why you would want to use that fight as a reference. Now that you bring it up, he employed the shoulder roll, was undefeated at the time, and was quick, just no power. Sounds some what like Mayweather jr.

Benetiz is somewhat like what Mayweather would be, only yes Mayweather would be faster, and more precise punching. You also realize the version that fought Benetiz, was a cautios version of Ray, due to his stated respect for a champion. The version of Leonard that emerged from Montreal was 10 times the fighter that benetiz faced.

You bring up Hearns, who hurt him at Welter? Many try to knock Hearns jaw, but he faced good fihters and other than ray, and when he moved up to Hagler, then Barkely he did just fine. Lets not even begin to compare hearns to Mayweather... Floyd would be a much easier opponent for ray from the perspective of physical mismatch, etc. Floyd possesses nothing that would trouble ray except for his counter punching, and you neutralize that with a jab. Look at DLH, when he actually did jab. Hearns at 147 was simply a freak, reach, speed, power.. He was a much harder match up for Ray than floyd would have been.

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Here's a question?

In Ray's prime who did he fight who had great speed? Hearns had very good speed but he lacked hooks, upercuts in his arsenal. It was mainly jab, right hand and he wasn't a good inside fighter back in 1981.

Floyd doesn't have Hearns 1 punch KO power but he is much more versatile with his variety of shots from different angles and a quicker counterpuncher.

That is gotcha question, as who has floyd faced that simply is a good fighter at 147 and is peak. Who has floyd faced with the speed of Ray combined with the total package. Who has floyd faced anywhere near a duran. The closest was Castillo who many believe beat him. Imagine if that had been duran that night.

Finally, you are sadly mistaken about hearns and his left hook. He was know for his right hand, but he had a GREAT, left hook too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7oJEdmP0A

You will see plenty of power left hooks and uppercuts. Yes his vaunted right hand made headlines, but he had much more power with his left hook, and the wing span of his hooks was something that Mayweather does not have either.

I strongly suggest you look at prime Hearns at 147-154. Mayweather possessing nothing near the match up problem hearns does. Yes he would be a defensive nightmare, but offensily Leonard would laught at Mayweather, he would only counter...that is it. Ray would be hoping and praying that Maywether wanted to exchange with him.

[RayLeonard82]

Floyds father was totally pounded for 10 rounds, was pretty much 10-8 rounds each round after round 3... Not sure why you would want to use that fight as a reference. Now that you bring it up, he employed the shoulder roll, was undefeated at the time, and was quick, just no power. Sounds some what like Mayweather jr.

Benetiz is somewhat like what Mayweather would be, only yes Mayweather would be faster, and more precise punching. You also realize the version that fought Benetiz, was a cautios version of Ray, due to his stated respect for a champion. The version of Leonard that emerged from Montreal was 10 times the fighter that benetiz faced.

You bring up Hearns, who hurt him at Welter? Many try to knock Hearns jaw, but he faced good fihters and other than ray, and when he moved up to Hagler, then Barkely he did just fine. Lets not even begin to compare hearns to Mayweather... Floyd would be a much easier opponent for ray from the perspective of physical mismatch, etc. Floyd possesses nothing that would trouble ray except for his counter punching, and you neutralize that with a jab. Look at DLH, when he actually did jab. Hearns at 147 was simply a freak, reach, speed, power.. He was a much harder match up for Ray than floyd would have been.

Akub Kalue made Ray miss a lot also and even though Ray had command he still struggled a little bit. I wouldn't call it a very impressive performance. Kalule made Ray miss a lot of Ray had some problems with his southpaw style. Floyd is 10 times quicker than Kalule and a southpaw also.

Ray never faced a fighter with tremendous speed until Terry Norris but that was when he was 34 years old and past his prime. What i mean about speed is a fighter with speed but from all angles. Hooks, upercuts, right hands, cross.

If you watch that 2nd Hearns vs Leonard fight. Watch the 1st 2 rounds when Ray bends down to throw his jab to the body. I know he's older right there but that's a good example of Hearns not being a quick counterpuncheor with his left hook or left upercut cause Ray is wide open for those 2 shots when he bends down to jab like that.

[DAN916]

Die hard Ray Leonard fan here but realistic. If you sit down and really break down when Ray fought a good defensive fighter in Wilfred Benitez it was somewhat of a struggle for Ray. Yes he had command of the fight, but Benitez made Ray miss often

Here is the difference. Floyd is much more in shape and has way better conditioning than Benitez had in that fight. Remember he only trained for like 2 weeks. If Floyd was fighting SRL i can picture him in the gym 24/7 and training his ass off and loving it. Floyd loves to train.

Another thing. Benitez had opportunities to counter when he made Ray miss but his punches were often wide a lot of the times and isn't nearly as quick a counterpuncher as Floyd. If that were Floyd and he made Ray miss he would nail Ray with quick short shots. There is a huge difference in the counterpunch speed between Floyd and Benitez and shortening of the punches. The straight right hand is there for Benitez if he had that in his arsenal.

I see this as a tossup.

Mayweather aint no Wilfred Benitez tho..

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Leonard would win this.