Bivol really isn't that good to be frank

[War Room]

U said he wasn’t all that. In my mind and many others. He is either the best or second best. That ISNT subpar nor over rated. He WILL WHIP the Mexican EASILY.

I did not say Bivol wasn't all that. I never used those words you old fart. Go get your monocle and let's reread what I said together.

I said =---> Yea he's good.
I said =---> He's really a basic albeit sharp 1-2 fighter that's really in shape and can mix it up. He's not dynamic at all.

Additionally, the division is pretty dead and reiterating if Beterbiev and Zurdo weren't there, the division would be a desert.

Zurdo will more than likely give Bivol his first loss.

[War Room]

He's good enough to beat Canelo and wait, he did, unanimously!

Unanimously at 115-113 when the real score was 10-2. Cleneloterol been getting fixed scores since losing to Juarez back in 2006.

So what if Bivol won? Cleneloterol is the smaller guy and isn't that good. Two clear 8-4 losses to GGG, loss to Lara, loss to Jacobs, loss to Floyd, loss to Juarez. Was getting dinged up by Khan and Kovalev. And lest you forget =--->



Google 'canelo cherry picking' and see 560k hits and a first page that looks like =--->

[Madison Boxing]

yeah the canelo fans cant bring themselves to think, 'you know what maybe we overrated canelo' so they went down the line of bivol being some generational talent. bivol was so highly rated and people were so impressed with his performances leading up the fight that not one single expert asked in the ring magazine predicted him to win and the bookies didnt give him a chance. bivol fought a good fight but he really didnt have to do anything that special to beat canelo. hes a good all round fighter in his prime, B grade at everything with no glaring weaknesses and that was enough to make alvarez look like a ****ing bum who was completely out of his depth

[Boxfan83]

Bivol seems very disciplined and follows a good game plan. But I do believe people make too much over his Canelo win.

[Cypocryphy]

What are you going on about War Room? Bivol has the third best plus/minus in all of boxing. And, he has the best defense in all of boxing. He gets hit the least, out of everybody. You're saying he's not that good? Come on man ....

[hugh grant]

Bivol is better than people thought. There are people who genuinely thought nel o would beat bivol

[billeau2]

men lie. women lie. #'s don't lie.


best defense in boxing period.




yes better defense and better +/- than Usyk.

Usyk gets hit a lot lol. I don't think Bivol is any more or less basic than other fighters in the divisions he fights in. Fighters do less and less lol. Compare these guys to Andre Ward as an example... basic does not mean bad.

[MONGOOSE66]

I did not say Bivol wasn't all that. I never used those words you old fart. Go get your monocle and let's reread what I said together.

I said =---> Yea he's good.
I said =---> He's really a basic albeit sharp 1-2 fighter that's really in shape and can mix it up. He's not dynamic at all.

Additionally, the division is pretty dead and reiterating if Beterbiev and Zurdo weren't there, the division would be a desert.

Zurdo will more than likely give Bivol his first loss.

Your thread implies Bivol is mediocre. Your mistaken. He’s very similar to Loma & Usyk and neither of those two are mediocre either.

[War Room]

What are you going on about War Room? Bivol has the third best plus/minus in all of boxing. And, he has the best defense in all of boxing. He gets hit the least, out of everybody. You're saying he's not that good? Come on man ....

He's a good fighter, I just think people have elevated him to a place he doesn't deserve to be in. I don't think he's that good. Let's see him face some top boxers his own size and then let's make a judgement. Is that not reasonable? Historically people deify men into something that they're not, it's common place.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY was high on Bivol before he fought Cleneloterol. I remember lots of people posting here asking who he was now everyone is like oh he's the best in the division, he's sooo talented, he hasn't lost a round, blah blah blah.

3rd best in the entire sport? Get out of here.

Your thread implies Bivol is mediocre. Your mistaken. He’s very similar to Loma & Usyk and neither of those two are mediocre either.

My thread implies exactly what it says, nothing more =---> nothing less. Learn to read and stop changing the goalposts you old angry fart.

[Cypocryphy]

He's a good fighter, I just think people have elevated him to a place he doesn't deserve to be in. I don't think he's that good. Let's see him face some top boxers his own size and then let's make a judgement. Is that not reasonable? Historically people deify men into something that they're not, it's common place.

It's impossible to persuade everyone that you are an elite fighter, so that's fair to see what he does from here on out. But he's likely going to beat Benavidez, Zurdo and Beterbiev, if they ever fight.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY was high on Bivol before he fought Cleneloterol. I remember lots of people posting here asking who he was now everyone is like oh he's the best in the division, he's sooo talented, he hasn't lost a round, blah blah blah.

I was. You can go back and see my posts. I said that there was no way in hell that Clenelo was going to beat Bivol, that Bivol was going to easily beat him. I did say that I wasn't sure if he'd win because they'd probably rob him but that the audience would see how easy it'll be for Bivol. (And they almost robbed him!!! So I was justified in that.)

3rd best in the entire sport? Get out of here.

You're right. I was wrong about his being the third best. He's the second best, under Loma. I'll show you. Here's the top ten in the sport right now.

Plus / Minus List
FIGHTER
CONN. PCT.
OPP. CONN. PCT.
+/- RATING
PUNCHES ROUND (L/T)

LOMACHENKO VASILIY
36.7%
17.5%
+19.2
20.5/55.9
BIVOL DMITRY
30.8%
12.7%
+18.1
17.1/55.5
STEVENSON SHAKUR
31.5%
13.9%
+17.6
13.9/44.1
BENAVIDEZ DAVID
38.4%
21.7%
+16.7
25.6/66.7
INOUE NAOYA
35.9%
21.2%
+14.7
23.2/64.7
CRAWFORD TERENCE
34.7%
21.2%
+13.5
15.8/45.5
DAVIS GERVONTA
34.6%
21.6%
+13
12/34.7
ALVAREZ SAUL
35.9%
23.2%
+12.7
14.7/41
IOKA KAZUTO
31.3%
19.5%
+11.8
19.4/62
ANDRADE DEMETRIUS
29.3%
18.3%
+11
15.7/53.5
GONZALEZ ROMAN
36.2%
25.3%
+10.9
32.3/89.2

My thread implies exactly what it says, nothing more =---> nothing less. Learn to read and stop changing the goalposts you old angry fart.

Lmao ... yeah, okay.