Bivol really isn't that good to be frank

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It's impossible to persuade everyone that you are an elite fighter, so that's fair to see what he does from here on out. But he's likely going to beat Benavidez, Zurdo and Beterbiev, if they ever fight.

We'll see, we don't know yet because he hasn't fought A level opposition in his weight yet. If he can beat Zurdo, I'll give him credit and if he beats Zurdo and Beterbiev (he won't) I'll step right up and say he's the best LWH out. Until then, I'll reserve judgement the way I see fit. I've seen countless fighters look exceptional until they fought A level fighters.

I was. You can go back and see my posts. I said that there was no way in hell that Clenelo was going to beat Bivol, that Bivol was going to easily beat him. I did say that I wasn't sure if he'd win because they'd probably rob him but that the audience would see how easy it'll be for Bivol. (And they almost robbed him!!! So I was justified in that.)

I posted the same thing, I thought Bivol would win, but probably not get the decision because Clenelo having such a grip on judges. And you know I had fact check you and you were one of the ones who's been on Bivol for a little while (12/21 earlies post). You're in a tiny pool on this and you know it's true. Looking at the comments when you praised Bivol, you were met with 110% resistance.

You're right. I was wrong about his being the third best. He's the second best, under Loma. I'll show you. Here's the top ten in the sport right now. \

You're using stats from Compubox?

Whatever stats say what, Loma is not the best of anything in all of boxing.

Lmao ... yeah, okay.

Cool your jets, I'm not talking to you there chief.

[SweetPbfAli]

What if Frank isn't that good to be Bivol?

[Cypocryphy]

We'll see, we don't know yet because he hasn't fought A level opposition in his weight yet. If he can beat Zurdo, I'll give him credit and if he beats Zurdo and Beterbiev (he won't) I'll step right up and say he's the best LWH out. Until then, I'll reserve judgement the way I see fit. I've seen countless fighters look exceptional until they fought A level fighters.

Beterbiev is a tough fight. No doubt. I think it's about 50/50. But Zurdo? Come on man. I suppose a 210 pound Zurdo could win, but that's some bull**** because it'll be because he's a heavyweight.

I posted the same thing, I thought Bivol would win, but probably not get the decision because Clenelo having such a grip on judges. And you know I had fact check you and you were one of the ones who's been on Bivol for a little while (12/21 earlies post). You're in a tiny pool on this and you know it's true. Looking at the comments when you praised Bivol, you were met with 110% resistance.

That's true. I was on Youtube a lot at that time, and I was one of several people saying that Bivol was going to win. The pushback was unreal. I felt like I was living in an alternate universe. It wasn't just fans either but professionals, coaches, pundits, boxers, all saying Canelo would win. That's what blew my mind. Even people in boxing DKSAB.

You're using stats from Compubox?

Whatever stats say what, Loma is not the best of anything in all of boxing.

Yeah. Compubox is a joke; however, it's a good "rule of thumb."

And Loma is easily the best at many things. Can't believe you think otherwise. Dude has been fighting giants (relatively) for the last four or five years. And now, funnily enough, people are starting to view the Lopez fight a different way, more like myself and Andre Ward. That means that Lopez didn't beat Loma. People see now that Lopez barely connected with Loma and that Loma outlanded Lopez, even in the last round. And speaking of the last round, even though Lopez landed a bomb on Loma, it didn't hurt him. When you're hurt, you back up, get on the defensive, like Canelo did when GGG hit him with that straight in the second fight. Loma, however, pressed forward, landed a three-piece and pushed Lopez up on the ropes, where he had to hug. In fact, Lopez was up against the ropes for 2:30 of the three minutes. Loma landed 20 more punches that round than Lopez. So that fight hasn't aged well for Lopez.

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Beterbiev is a tough fight. No doubt. I think it's about 50/50. But Zurdo? Come on man. I suppose a 210 pound Zurdo could win, but that's some bull**** because it'll be because he's a heavyweight.

Beterbiev puts Bivol out, bookmark this post. He's got godly power and barely has to hit you, he's a freak of nature. Zurdo is very dynamic and no slouch. I don't think weight has anything to do with it. He's legit.

Yeah. Compubox is a joke; however, it's a good "rule of thumb."

Until you've actually made precise punchstas on your own, you have no validity in this discussion. The only computers are percentage algorithms, all the counting is done with humans and some of those humans are old cracked boxers. I've done many rounds over the years. Go ahead and give it a try, I watch 1 round 4x. 1 round for total punches per fighter, then next time landed shots (landed and power).

And Loma is easily the best at many things. Can't believe you think otherwise. Dude has been fighting giants (relatively) for the last four or five years. And now, funnily enough, people are starting to view the Lopez fight a different way, more like myself and Andre Ward. That means that Lopez didn't beat Loma. People see now that Lopez barely connected with Loma and that Loma outlanded Lopez, even in the last round. And speaking of the last round, even though Lopez landed a bomb on Loma, it didn't hurt him. When you're hurt, you back up, get on the defensive, like Canelo did when GGG hit him with that straight in the second fight. Loma, however, pressed forward, landed a three-piece and pushed Lopez up on the ropes, where he had to hug. In fact, Lopez was up against the ropes for 2:30 of the three minutes. Loma landed 20 more punches that round than Lopez. So that fight hasn't aged well for Lopez.

I disagree here. So many people talk about his footwork - it's so redundant and just wasteful most of the time. He lost to Salido man, I don't care if it was his second fight or not, he already had plenty of hands on experience. Loma has NOT been fighting giants, stop it =---> his best wins are against exceptionally smaller fighters in Russell and Rigo. They look like Keebler Elves in the face-offs, facts.

Teo beat Loma (clearly) because Loma was tentative of his power in the early rounds, was looking to wait him out, and pick the lock which he never did...and guess what, Teo was bigger (what a coincidence). Loma did turn the heat up late and made a good show for himself, but he only he had success was because the younger, inexperienced, and bigger lion blew his load in the earlier rounds.

The shoulder injury thing was fake news. I had the same injury and it's literally painless.

What if Frank isn't that good to be Bivol?

Well done sir.

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I've been watching Bivol since day 1 and yea he's good, but I think a lot of people are elevating him to a place he doesn't belong after beating Cleneloterol.

He's really a basic albeit sharp 1-2 fighter that's really in shape and can mix it up. He's not dynamic at all. Once he steps into the big fights with A- and A+ level fighters, I think a lot of people are going to abandon ship on this guy.

Hate to break it to you but Bivol and Beterbiev are the only A- A+ level fighters in their division today. Bivol is pretty darn good, these eastern euros with long amateur experience are dominating the sport. Yeah there are a lot of guys in other eras that would beat Bivol but today only beterbiev has a strong chance and he is getting up there in age.

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Beterbiev puts Bivol out, bookmark this post. He's got godly power and barely has to hit you, he's a freak of nature. Zurdo is very dynamic and no slouch. I don't think weight has anything to do with it. He's legit.

I will .

Until you've actually made precise punchstas on your own, you have no validity in this discussion. The only computers are percentage algorithms, all the counting is done with humans and some of those humans are old cracked boxers. I've done many rounds over the years. Go ahead and give it a try, I watch 1 round 4x. 1 round for total punches per fighter, then next time landed shots (landed and power).

That's why compubox is an approximation. It's closer to being accurate than to being wrong. Not something to rely on exclusively, but it does get you in the ballpark. But I agree, you have to do your own work.

I disagree here. So many people talk about his footwork - it's so redundant and just wasteful most of the time. He lost to Salido man, I don't care if it was his second fight or not, he already had plenty of hands on experience. Loma has NOT been fighting giants, stop it =---> his best wins are against exceptionally smaller fighters in Russell and Rigo. They look like Keebler Elves in the face-offs, facts.

Really? Watch this:

Now prove me wrong

BTW: Russell is about the same size as Loma. He's a little bulkier too.

Teo beat Loma (clearly) because Loma was tentative of his power in the early rounds, was looking to wait him out, and pick the lock which he never did...and guess what, Teo was bigger (what a coincidence). Loma did turn the heat up late and made a good show for himself, but he only he had success was because the younger, inexperienced, and bigger lion blew his load in the earlier rounds.

Oh yeah? Watch this:

Now prove me wrong

The shoulder injury thing was fake news. I had the same injury and it's literally painless.

I had the same injury too ten years ago. I couldn't use my arm after awhile. Two weeks before the surgery my arm hurt so badly I couldn't life it up. And it wasn't fake news. You don't have orthoscopic surgery to fake an injury. That's nonsense man.

[ΣNΣMY]

This guy Frank sounds like a real dipshit.

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Hate to break it to you but Bivol and Beterbiev are the only A- A+ level fighters in their division today. Bivol is pretty darn good, these eastern euros with long amateur experience are dominating the sport. Yeah there are a lot of guys in other eras that would beat Bivol but today only beterbiev has a strong chance and he is getting up there in age.

I hate to break it to you, but I already said that twice in this thread.

LHW is a historically a slow division and at this moment =---> without Beterbiev and Zurdo, it's a desert.

Additionally, the division is pretty dead and reiterating if Beterbiev and Zurdo weren't there, the division would be a desert.

That's why compubox is an approximation. It's closer to being accurate than to being wrong. Not something to rely on exclusively, but it does get you in the ballpark. But I agree, you have to do your own work.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. You really have to get in there and do the work to see what I've seen over the years.

Really? Watch this

I was going to type no, but I figured I would be a sport and come on man. First of all guitar torture and you can't see an entire fight in 8:50. Pacquiao vs Mayweather did the same thing witht hat Spoon thread and they blatantly skipped all kinds of stuff. This is poor material.

BTW: Russell is about the same size as Loma. He's a little bulkier too.

Btw =--->

Oh yeah? Watch this: Now prove me wrong

Again, was 200% was going to say no because you fucked me on the first one and guess what, you did it again lol. An entire fight of punch landed in 4:28. Give me the full fight and we can have a more respectable dialogue on this. That metal head can cut whatever he wants out. Let's get serious here lol.

I had the same injury too ten years ago. I couldn't use my arm after awhile. Two weeks before the surgery my arm hurt so badly I couldn't life it up. And it wasn't fake news. You don't have orthoscopic surgery to fake an injury. That's nonsense man.

You're lying. He had a labrum tear which is a SLAP tear, it's painless, and there is no impingement or mobility issue. I had it in both shoulders and the only time it hurt was when I fully tore the second one, it was like a quick pinch that's it. I walked around for 2 years with my first SLAP tear and didn't even know it was torn. I went in for something else and they found the tear. They only repaired it because I had other things going on in there.

So yea my guy, fake news, user testimonial from someone that's thrown millions of punches over the years.

[El_Mero]

Good enough to SHUT OUT the supposed p4p #1

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Beterbiev puts Bivol out, bookmark this post. He's got godly power and barely has to hit you, he's a freak of nature. Zurdo is very dynamic and no slouch. I don't think weight has anything to do with it. He's legit.



Until you've actually made precise punchstas on your own, you have no validity in this discussion. The only computers are percentage algorithms, all the counting is done with humans and some of those humans are old cracked boxers. I've done many rounds over the years. Go ahead and give it a try, I watch 1 round 4x. 1 round for total punches per fighter, then next time landed shots (landed and power).



I disagree here. So many people talk about his footwork - it's so redundant and just wasteful most of the time. He lost to Salido man, I don't care if it was his second fight or not, he already had plenty of hands on experience. Loma has NOT been fighting giants, stop it =---> his best wins are against exceptionally smaller fighters in Russell and Rigo. They look like Keebler Elves in the face-offs, facts.

Teo beat Loma (clearly) because Loma was tentative of his power in the early rounds, was looking to wait him out, and pick the lock which he never did...and guess what, Teo was bigger (what a coincidence). Loma did turn the heat up late and made a good show for himself, but he only he had success was because the younger, inexperienced, and bigger lion blew his load in the earlier rounds.

The shoulder injury thing was fake news. I had the same injury and it's literally painless.



Well done sir.

Bivol is literally the hardest person to land a fist on in all of boxing.

Beterbiev is not a 1 punch KO artist.

he's a slow, older, accumulative puncher.


he's made to order for Bivol.