Robert Garcia quote. No more excuses for Joshua.

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  • QueensburyRules
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    #11
    Originally posted by 15round
    "You know what? I think he wasn’t thinking and prepared to win the fight. From what he told me, he was just thinking of going all 12 rounds. He never thought, ‘I got to win the fight. I just need to go 12 rounds.’ So that makes a big difference" Quote from Robert Garcia.

    What the hay is Joshua talking about? Did he know there was no chance to win the fight and he just wanted to go 12 rounds without a KO? I think right. Or did he think the scorecards would be in his favor if it was close and he just needed to avoid a knockout? I think maybe right. Either way is is a loser mentality.

    Just like last year six weeks before the Usyk fight Joshua stated that he "granted Ruiz the title" and did him a favor. WTF, Ruiz got up off the canvas and took over the fight after taking his best shots. Joshua's confidence is down more than ever and he hired Garcia because McCracken told Joshua that he fought well and could not do better in a rematch. Same old, same old.

    Odds are that Ruiz knocked some of Joshua's marbles loose in the first fight. I think Usyk did too. What the hay was Joshua doing at the start of Round 4. He looks up and raises his hand to the roof like it was a probing jab to the sky. Usyk jumped right on him and knocked him across the ring. Joshua was hurt no doubt at the end of Round 3. At the end of the fight he wanted to stay on the stool. He would not have come out if there was a Round 13. Joshua needs to retire if he gets beaten up again. I want to see Wilder vs. Joshua more than ever but it likely will end badly for Joshua.
    - - Bigger odds U ain't got no marbles to play wif.

    If Usyk don't improve his game, they gonna be picking up his face off the canvas for plastic surgery.







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    • brettWall
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      #12
      Originally posted by 15round
      "You know what? I think he wasn’t thinking and prepared to win the fight. From what he told me, he was just thinking of going all 12 rounds. He never thought, ‘I got to win the fight. I just need to go 12 rounds.’ So that makes a big difference"
      That could be Joshua's previous team's one and only game plan. And he lost.

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      • 4truth
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        #13
        if Joshua's plan is to come out fast in destroyer mode, that's do or die thinking. I like it but if Usyk is still standing after 6, Joshua will resemble a shark lying on the deck of a boat, still fierce looking but helpless and gasping for breath.

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          #14
          Originally posted by 15round

          Thank you, well said.

          Joshua's mentality is like a good amateur fighter who has 100 fights and they expect to lost at least a handful. Lose a few and learn from it. This is the pros and every fight should be to win, not a learning experience.

          Joshua does have good skills, but so does Usyk. Usyk is a smaller heavyweight but he is more mobile and a better boxer. And Joshua has shown that he can be hurt. At the end of Round 3 he was in trouble. I don't know if he was hurt again in the fight but at the end of 12 he was in bad shape, maybe more from fatigue. He won't be able to get that out of his mind. Will he give Usyk respect if he gets tagged again or will he risk going out on his shield?
          Anthony Joshua rose to the very top of the amateur ranks, and is a Olympic Champion. He was better than just a good Amateur, he was Super Elite.

          Tyson Fury cannot claim to be this, only Joshua & Uysk has rose to the pinnacle of the Amateur ranks.

          Fighters don't ever stop learning, experience is always accumulating. And not every fight in the professional ranks has to be win.

          Of course this would be nice, but for most of the fighters? That is not how the game works.

          I only really have a issue with your post, that I have highlighted in bold. I think the evaluation of Joshua's mentality was miles off.

          Anthony Joshua since turning professional, has been favorite for every single fight he has ever had. He has competed under a level of pressure, that is alien to most other fighters 'Including Tyson Fury'.

          It has taken up until this rematch with Usyk, for Anthony Joshua to finally be classed as a underdog. It is actually easier, preparing for a fight when you are underdog. There is less pressure on a fighter, the only pressure they have 'Is the pressure's they put on themselves'.

          But in saying that? Even Joshua as a underdog, is under more pressure than Tyson Fury. I don't know why, but Joshua has been more highly criticized and held to a higher standard throughout his entire career.

          For the first time in Anthony Joshua's career, universally pretty much everyone is expecting him to be beaten.





          Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 07-21-2022, 05:32 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by 4truth
            if Joshua's plan is to come out fast in destroyer mode, that's do or die thinking. I like it but if Usyk is still standing after 6, Joshua will resemble a shark lying on the deck of a boat, still fierce looking but helpless and gasping for breath.
            Based on the first fight I don't think Joshua can do that for six rounds and not get knocked down. Usyk is too slick to hit cleanly and he can fire back and hurt Joshua like late in the third round. With Joshua's chin an aggressive style is not the best plan. Will Joshua be any different in this fight when he gets tagged good? If going after Usyk was the best plan that is what Joshua would have done from the start of the fight. The Joshua team was right in trying to box Usyk because they knew he could hurt Joshua in a fire fight. It is just that Usyk is the better fighter and he can only beat himself against Joshua.

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              #16
              The question is, can he train AJ to have a systematic front foot breakdown of Usyk or it will just be some wildman bum rushing like Maidana? No confidence when it comes to Oxnard, no whatsoever!

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                #17
                Originally posted by 15round

                The greatest heavyweight win in the last 20 years was Joshua Ruiz 1. There is nothing great about beating a heavyweight that just moved up to the division from cruiserweight. Usyk has only proven he can be Joshua, not other top heavyweights.
                So if Ruiz vs Joshua I, is the greatest win of the past 20 years 'Everyone here must rate Anthony Joshua very highly'.

                So which is it mate, is he a good fighter or not? So Uysk must have a great win on his record at heavyweight.

                Usyk's resume is unprecedented and he is at his peak 'Wladimir Kiltschko was not at his peak when he fought Fury, and he did have issues which negatively effected his performance leading up to that fight. I believe his then wife was unwell, and their relationship was struggling'.

                Usyk is a Olympic Champion, Former Undisturbed Cruiser weight World Champion, and Current WBA, WBO, IBF & IBO Heavyweight Champion of the the world. Usyk rose to the top of the mountain in the amateur ranks, complying a record of 335 fights, 320 wins, with 15 loses. As a professional fighter Oleksandr Uysk is unbeaten in 19 fights, with 13 fights by knock - out.

                Usyk's perception of reality as a fighter, is that he wins 'That is all he knows'. Anthony Joshua not only has to beat a highly skilled, and motivated fighter 'He has to deconstruct Usyk's view of himself inside a boxing ring'.

                Masses of people within the boxing world, were giving Joshua advice not to take the immediate rematch. They said that he was afraid, he has not heart. Maybe Anthony Joshua is afraid, which means he is showing courage facing Usyk once again 'Which is one of the highest virtues a man can display'.

                While Tyson Fury is retired, after facing a fighter Joshua ****** out a long time ago. It is the man they say is petrified, has no heart, has no endurance, that is facing off against boxing's current most lethal and sophisticated fighter.

                It will be the single greatest Heavyweight win of the past 20 years. We will have to go back to Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson I, for this win to be rivaled.

                For all of Joshua's apparent drawbacks, his detractors and people within boxing. Know there is something abnormal within him. There are very few posters on this site, who state with 100% conviction that Oleksandr Uysk is going to win.


                Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 07-22-2022, 05:41 AM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by hhh1200
                  The question is, can he train AJ to have a systematic front foot breakdown of Usyk or it will just be some wildman bum rushing like Maidana? No confidence when it comes to Oxnard, no whatsoever!
                  Bam Rodriguez trains with Mr. Oxnard.

                  All RGBA does is produce champions.
                  Last edited by ShoulderRoll; 07-22-2022, 05:46 AM.

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                  • M312
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                    #19
                    He's saying AJ wasn't looking for the knockout (it will come), he was just prepared to go 12.
                    Garcia is saying look for the knockout, don't worry about the rounds.

                    Both common thoughts within boxing, who knows what's better. Probably depends on your trainer at the time.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by 15round

                      The greatest heavyweight win in the last 20 years was Joshua Ruiz 1. There is nothing great about beating a heavyweight that just moved up to the division from cruiserweight. Usyk has only proven he can be Joshua, not other top heavyweights.
                      If that’s the greatest win in 20 years your practically contradicting everything your saying . It’s like before the Ruiz and Usyk fights they were called easy fights for A.J trying to get the discredit in before he gets the win but when they do win all of a sudden it’s a huge shocker and they are catapulted to great fighters all of a sudden which does mean A.J had to be a great fighter for that to happen .

                      You guys do it all the time on here but aren’t aware of it even though your intentions are trying to downplay A.Js presence in the division . You actually do the opposite with your own statements .

                      In all the time I’ve seen boxing discussions for years even before I got on here ,A.J is the only guy I seen being asked to retire after 2 losses and under 30 fights , give me a break he lost to someone who will probably go down as at least one of the greatest P4P fighters of all time and has yet to even lose any rematches even though he only had to avenge one so far , where is the logic he’s finished ?

                      If I never watched the Usyk fight you guys would have me believe he had to be carried out of the ring and had to have the ringside doctors come in and help him off the canvas ?
                      Last edited by REDEEMER; 07-22-2022, 06:51 AM.

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