Wilder probably beats all heavyweights except Tyson Fury

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Ah, so we’re awarding Wilder fantasy victories now.

Not really, we're just speculating on who would win a fight. It's a boxing forum after all.

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That's exactly what this site has turned into. What a shame!

If Fury never fought Wilder and A.J knocked him out instead they’d be calling Wilder a bum . Look at the Ortiz win over Martin , if Martin retired before fighting Ortiz he would be called all sorts of things on here . Martin got more praise losing to Ortiz and penalized fir the more proven A.J .

It all comes down to no one’s good unless Fury wins against them easily seen with the Klitschko fights . Wallins the best examples he was a bum but after the Fury fight he was great fighter .

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You can’t get too far with just power in boxing.

That’s an insult to every boxer who laced them up.

You absolutely need others traits. At the very minimum, you need a good chin. Secondly, after a good chin, you need above average accuracy. You also can’t tell me you do not see the timing in Wilder’s punches.

Yes, Wilder has below average footwork and handspeed. Those are his flaws. His defense is also average. Those 3 things he doesn’t do very well.

He also has something you can’t teach, grit and determination. There is zero quit in that man. You can’t just hit him hard on the button a couple of times and make him fold.

I guess these are only things you would observe if you at least put the gloves in, at the very least, just sparring. Not even amateur. Just head into a gym, spar for a while vs a few other guys. And you will see that if all you have is power, if that is really all you have, you are going to be in trouble by even the most incompetent sparring partners.

One of the most overused phrases from fans. “He only has power.” Smh. And if you have ever sparred, and you think that, then idk what to say.

I started boxing when I was 7, you? Nice of you to assume otherwise though

It is very hard to say if Wilder is more than power, because he hasn't fought anyone to test that, other than Fury who knocked him out twice.

I agree he's got grit and that he's exciting, but would ANYONE be surprised to see him get outboxed v a C level boxer? We've seen it many times before.

Or would anyone be surprised to see him sparked out by a big puncher?

The guy is an accident waiting to happen, his power has bailed him out v C/B level boxers eventually, but that doesn't last, especially now his confidence is probably shot too.

Honestly, at this point... I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone in the top 10/15 stop him or beat him on points.

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He won a few rounds against Fury but it was one sided despite some crazies on here saying otherwise .


Wilder had to be good to get or maintain winning title fights but as you stated against who ? Where would Wilder actually place if he did fight the same guys A.J did and then we include Hrgovic, Joyce and even Mahkmudov who are all pulverizing punchers then there’s questions about the type of guys he hasn’t fought so there’s literally zero proof he is the second best heavyweight it’s nonsense when he hasn’t won in 3 years to .


Wilders best attributes are speed ,power and confidence but his chin really isn’t that great I think a true boxer puncher knocks him out at least at this point . Most Wilder fights against the real top guys are seen as 50/50 ,he cannot win rounds and he relies on stoppages which is a recipe for disaster waiting to happen again . A.J , Fury Usyk, Hrgovic, Joyce are favored over him . The rest is just ? Well Wilder needs to fight them to get the answers .

Best wins Ortiz doesn’t get a number 2 spot , I swear these guys better hope Ortiz wins against Ruiz or it’s all over for them yea yea guys I know I’m the big bad hater on here posting facts again with educated opinions I get it .

I'd love to know the round numbers Wilder won v Fury, because I've watched those fights a few times and other than the KD rounds its a complete shutout imo. He just can't box. Same for every other fight since 2016. He's so in love with his power, he's forgotten trying to even learn the basics.

Everyone has him scrambling - and he hasn't faced anyone good.

People mention grit and confidence etc... Not sure that exists anymore, he doesn't really have a desire to fight anymore. If he comes back it'll be for money or because he has nothing else to do.

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Wilder could have below average skills and footwork, but guys waiting on him are not on Tyson Fury level either.

Just look at Joshua. Bruno 2.0 was born to get hit by Wilder`s right hand.

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Wilder could have below average skills and footwork, but guys waiting on him are not on Tyson Fury level either.

Just look at Joshua. Bruno 2.0 was born to get hit by Wilder`s right hand.

Joshua is a much better boxer also with power.

I agree that Wilder can knock him out 100%, but it makes zero sense to back the boxer who has zero skills, gotta have an agenda if that's the case.

[Haka]

Joshua is a much better boxer also with power.

I agree that Wilder can knock him out 100%, but it makes zero sense to back the boxer who has zero skills, gotta have an agenda if that's the case.

I wouldnt say he is not skilled with the right mentality. Not skilled in the sense of a Mayweather but a skilled operator in a street fight, getting the timing/distance/finish etc down for that shot. However you can get away with it once or twice (vs Ortiz and KDs against Fury) that type of fighting is not really sustainable against against elite fighters, so indeed he'll be a liability against anyone, Hrgovic would be a dangerous fight as well. Wilder might wait on the sidelines and cash out one more time in an all out battle against a title holder.

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Even if Josh and usyk get hit by wilder right hand don't mean they lose, they may go down like fury and get up. But Josh hits harder than fury, so once Josh softens wilder up , wilder right hand might not be so potent.
But once fury beat wilder, it seems every one thought wilder wasceasy, so thread is a bit misleading and reverse phycology. Maybe don't want fury to fight josh and usyk. Hoping usyk\Josh don't fight wilder also in case they win.

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I love the Usyk vs Wilder fight. not sure it ever happens though. Nash out.

[BKM-]

Wilder has been underestimated enough. Even in the third Fury fight when everybody was sure he had no chance at all since the previous domination and TKO loss to Fury, he still dropped Fury several times brutally and was one cvnthair removed from winning back his title.

Fury happens to be that cvnthair.

Wilder can still beat anyone. He is deceptive. He is not technical, he is an instinctive fighter. It's in his blood to find the mark with that right hand.