Comments Thread For: Javier Fortuna: Ryan Garcia Does Not Have Talent, Capacity To Beat Me

[Haka]

You"ll believe come July 16. Don't think Fortuna's mentality/bravado will allow him to put on a track meet like gameboy which will be his demise. He gets hurt early,tries to get into a fire fight with Ryan and gets Ktfo in 6rds. Ryan just needs to implement his jab a little more to set up his shots and learn how to cut off the ring more effectively although there wasn't a boxer alive today who was going to be able to cut off the ring against someone as scared ****less as Tagoe. Something I'm sure Joe is well aware of.

What was overlooked against Tagoe was how physically massive/strong Ryan looked whilst still being lightning quick. Showed a tremendous gas tank as well as he finished just as strong as he had started considering Tagoe forced a track meet. His defense no doubt needs a little work but wasnt too concerned about it that fight as he had a smaller fighter in front of him and went for broke trying to impress the crowd. Baffles me that Tank in every fight,rewatch his fight against Leo,gets countered fairly easily/regularly but yet all we hear about is Ryan's lack of defense? Anyways,he has all the physical attributes and talent to beat anyone at 135 and 140. Too big,too fast,too strong,too skilled. Unless Loma can get back in the mix soon,Haney imo is the only fighter in and around his weight class that could possibly derail that train. Starting July 16 the pride of the High Desert starts his run breaking a lot of hearts here in doing so. Ryan Garcia is the truth....

He can have all that, it is something about his boxing that is just OFF. Put him against a real fighter like PitBull Cruz and I'm afraid the Garcia storyline is OVER .

[Haka]

I didn't mean who would beat him. I know all those probably would. I meant your number 1 lightweight. Haney? You follow the belts?

Tank could catch Loma with a KO him altough Loma will be staying on the outside and steal rounds, then Tank has to force the fight but he does not have the same mobility as Loma, I think Loma is still the best fighter. That Lopez fight was a farce by Arum, first 6 rounds almost nothing happened but they gave them all to Lopez, last second half of the fight it was all Loma.

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Haney gets outworked by Loma too.


But maybe I still have the pre pandemic Loma in my mind, that version beats them all easily. There is a reason GTD has not fought Loma since 2014. Loma always looked for the belts and the best fighters from the very start, so he is not the blame that that fight never happened.

[MONGOOSE66]

I didn't mean who would beat him. I know all those probably would. I meant your number 1 lightweight. Haney? You follow the belts?

I follow whose above the best.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Tank could catch Loma with a KO him altough Loma will be staying on the outside and steal rounds, then Tank has to force the fight but he does not have the same mobility as Loma, I think Loma is still the best fighter. That Lopez fight was a farce by Arum, first 6 rounds almost nothing happened but they gave them all to Lopez, last second half of the fight it was all Loma.

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Haney gets outworked by Loma too.


But maybe I still have the pre pandemic Loma in my mind, that version beats them all easily. There is a reason GTD has not fought Loma since 2014. Loma always looked for the belts and the best fighters from the very start, so he is not the blame that that fight never happened.

Davis-Loma is a mismatch for now. We'll see when Loma comes back and has a tuneup or two. At no point in his career do I have Loma beating Davis. He would've been somewhat competitive before he laid that big egg against Lopez. Nothing strange about that fight either. Lopez beat him, period.

[Sctrojan]

He can have all that, it is something about his boxing that is just OFF. Put him against a real fighter like PitBull Cruz and I'm afraid the Garcia storyline is OVER .

Nah,it's going to take a boxer a lot more skilled than someone as crude,limited and small as Cruz. Cruz's biggest liability is him dropping his head looking straight down while throwing wide, looping hooks coming in. Hard to imagine someone with a lightning quick left hook like Ryan not being able to time that. There's this narrative that because he took Tank 12rds he's this top 5 lightweight all of a sudden. A top lightweight doesn't struggle with a shot to pieces Vargas.

Imo it had more to do with Tanks suprising inability to adjust to a smaller fighter in his chest,something he's probably rarely had to gameplan for as he's more often than not the smaller fighter than anything. Put Cruz in there with Ryan,Haney,Loma,Rayo,Martin, JoJo,Kambo,Fortuna,Barboza,Commey and Campbell if he had not retired etc and he gets beat . What PBC needs to do is stop dichking around and matchup Rayo vs Cruz. That would give us a clear picture of Cruzs level.

[BoxingIsGreat]

He can have all that, it is something about his boxing that is just OFF. Put him against a real fighter like PitBull Cruz and I'm afraid the Garcia storyline is OVER .

Excellent post here.

[Haka]

Nah,it's going to take a boxer a lot more skilled than someone as crude,limited and small as Cruz. Cruz's biggest liability is him dropping his head looking straight down while throwing wide, looping hooks coming in. Hard to imagine someone with a lightning quick left hook like Ryan not being able to time that. There's this narrative that because he took Tank 12rds he's this top 5 lightweight all of a sudden. A top lightweight doesn't struggle with a shot to pieces Vargas.

Imo it had more to do with Tanks suprising inability to adjust to a smaller fighter in his chest,something he's probably rarely had to gameplan for as he's more often than not the smaller fighter than anything. Put Cruz in there with Ryan,Haney,Loma,Rayo,Martin, JoJo,Kambo,Fortuna,Barboza,Commey and Campbell if he had not retired etc and he gets beat . What PBC needs to do is stop dichking around and matchup Rayo vs Cruz. That would give us a clear picture of Cruzs level.

No he has his chin tucked and keeps his body compact . Skills, something Ryan does not have.

[Sctrojan]

No he has his chin tucked and keeps his body compact . Skills, something Ryan does not have.

Didn't know hanging your chin out to dry over your feet was "tucking your chin",cool.....

[Haka]

Didn't know hanging your chin out to dry over your feet was "tucking your chin",cool.....

Pitbull is going to crush Ryan are you kidding me ? I'm not going to discuss this.


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Garcia retirement fight will be against Rolly Romero for some bull**** title, where they hype it on their social media's. .This kid does not have technique, he just slaps, no power, no nothing, all jittery and bouncy, fake shoulder roll. KAYO waiting to happen. I would back Rolly in that fight, and Rolly is just another bum with a big mouth that has been boxing for just a few years.

Im comparing Garcia with elite level now, he may be a good domestic level fighter.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Pitbull is going to crush Ryan are you kidding me ? I'm not going to discuss this.

Garcia retirement fight will be against Rolly Romero for some bull**** title, where they hype it on their social media's. This kid does not have technique, he just slaps, no power, no nothing, all jittery and bouncy, fake shoulder roll. KAYO waiting to happen. I would never bet on Ryan Garcia in any fight, ever.

The bold reminds me of a glass house. Cruz has a little matrix going himself. People will see how good this guy actually is.