If you enjoy boxing more than MMA, why?

[Haka]

I mean more so the BJJ part of it but obviously MMA grappling is a mix of BJJ and wrestling.

The sheer amount of possible techniques between takedowns, ground positions, submissions, transitions and escapes is multiple times more than whats possible in any pure striking art, and then add to that that MMA grappling incorporates striking anyway. Theres also much more of a planning ahead approach with clear paths to certain preferable positions or submissions that require multiple moves to be successfully executed to achieve the end goal.

I mean doesnt this say it all?

Thats ONE position, and only addressing stuff the guy on his back could do from there.




I didnt address it because I didnt really see the relevance. The pay sucks because its a sport that pretty much started in the 90s, didnt get popular until the mid 00s, is relatively monopolized by one promotion and doesnt have the Ali act. The pay is on a pretty rapid upwards trajectory anyway, its already probably 2-3x on average what it was in the 00s even though the UFC roster is much larger now. There were literally no millionaires in MMA 15 years ago.

People always seem to overlook other important factors in this as well, like the size of MMAs talent pool compared to boxing, the ratio of that talent pool that ultimately gets signed by the UFC (hint: it contains probably a higher percentage of its sports total talent pool than any other major sports league does) and the UFCs relative ability as a platform to give you the exposure to use your name and star power to make money in other avenues. In other words, your chances of making it to the UFC, being famous and making six figures per fight are most likely drastically higher than making it into the sub 1% of boxings much larger talent pool that is making bigger money.

I agree with most of your post however the difficulty in boxing is to do the simple stuff better than the next person. You can teach the basics uppercut/hooks/straight to a random person within a month however it is the perfection of those simple techniques that makes it appealing.

- simple straight right hand, straight right hand with a slight twist in the upper torso, straight right hand from the legs and twist upper torso, mildly looping straight right hand from legs with slight torso twist, etc ,etc etc. Those are all valid techniques.

Now combine those techniques with foot movement and you can come up with a lot of boxing 'moves' as well.

Conor Mcgregor (or lets say Nate Diaz) would have lost in every separate discipline, yet in UFC they came out on top. That's the quirky thing about UFC.

[StoptheFight]

I like both sports and will always watch MMA cards(so long as they don't compete with good boxing cards), but there is something that is unique to boxing at the highest level that MMA just doesnt have for me. I don't want to talk down MMA, it's a great sport and those guys are warriors, but as someone mentioned when you see a fight like "Kova - Ward 1" or 'Wilder-Fury' or when 'spence-Crawford' gets made, it's a different feeling.

Okay fine, i just dont like the grappling... lmao

[TMLT87]

I agree with most of your post however the difficulty in boxing is to do the simple stuff better than the next person. You can teach the basics uppercut/hooks/straight to a random person within a month however it is the perfection of those simple techniques that makes it appealing.

Yeah I agree. There are less areas you can work on to improve as a boxer, after a certain point the possible refinements you can make to set yourself apart from someone else are pretty small, and there are fewer strategic approaches you can take to win a fight, which all in all probably makes it harder at the higher levels than MMA. Obviously the talent pool is bigger too and the sport has had a lot more time to develop technically.

Conor Mcgregor (or lets say Nate Diaz) would have lost in every separate discipline, yet in UFC they came out on top. That's the quirky thing about UFC.

Conversely theres been fighters who were highly accomplished in a certain discipline but didnt do as well in MMA as their credentials suggested they might.

Theres just a lot of variables and intangibles at play in MMA.

[KingGilgamesh]

Its funny, I actually partake in MMA. But I hate watching it with a passion. Everything about boxing is better for a spectator outside of the marinating. For me, I still feel MMA tries to appeal to the typical middle American wrestling fan and doesn't treat itself like a legitimate sport.

[KingGilgamesh]

Essentially you dont understand what you're watching on a technical level.

I love how boxing fans so often seem to have appointed themselves as gatekeepers of what "fighting" is whenever MMA or various other combat sports get mentioned too.



"put em up laddie!, oh wait, dont kick me or tears my arms off, thats not fighting!"

I've done...a lot of BJJ. I transitioned to MMA because my BJJ gym was just too damn expensive...but I made it to blue belt and competed in three tournaments. Plenty of competitive BJJ experience.

And even then...its absolutely garbage to watch. And it's largely BJJs own fault. In the higher weight limits its pretty much entirely a game of whose on top, which kinds renders the guard useless. There is genuinely an issue with inactivity in BJJ and its not punished enough. When this takes place in MMA it makes it painful to watch.

[CaneloBlue]

Man, last’s night fight between Ugas vs Spence was just beautiful. The skill level at display. Reminds me why I will always love boxing more.

[CaneloBlue]

I've done...a lot of BJJ. I transitioned to MMA because my BJJ gym was just too damn expensive...but I made it to blue belt and competed in three tournaments. Plenty of competitive BJJ experience.

And even then...its absolutely garbage to watch. And it's largely BJJs own fault. In the higher weight limits its pretty much entirely a game of whose on top, which kinds renders the guard useless. There is genuinely an issue with inactivity in BJJ and its not punished enough. When this takes place in MMA it makes it painful to watch.

Yup, there comes a time where both fighters kinda of ‘cancel’ each other out and are just stuck on the mat. Definitely needs some type of punishment from the referee if it passes a certain time. I’ve seen fights where almost the whole round is spent on the mat.

[Bravado]

I've done...a lot of BJJ. I transitioned to MMA because my BJJ gym was just too damn expensive...but I made it to blue belt and competed in three tournaments. Plenty of competitive BJJ experience.

And even then...its absolutely garbage to watch. And it's largely BJJs own fault. In the higher weight limits its pretty much entirely a game of whose on top, which kinds renders the guard useless. There is genuinely an issue with inactivity in BJJ and its not punished enough. When this takes place in MMA it makes it painful to watch.

Like why is that so hard to admit???? These fights just turn into let me smother you and tire you out and I win via ground and pound. Thanks

[CaneloBlue]

Like why is that so hard to admit???? These fights just turn into let me smother you and tire you out and I win via ground and pound. Thanks

Some MMA fans are just very prideful and don’t want there favorite sport to be looked upon as inferior to boxing.

[TMLT87]

I've done...a lot of BJJ. I transitioned to MMA because my BJJ gym was just too damn expensive...but I made it to blue belt and competed in three tournaments. Plenty of competitive BJJ experience.

And even then...its absolutely garbage to watch. And it's largely BJJs own fault. In the higher weight limits its pretty much entirely a game of whose on top, which kinds renders the guard useless. There is genuinely an issue with inactivity in BJJ and its not punished enough. When this takes place in MMA it makes it painful to watch.

There is a massive difference in the pace and intensity of regular GI BJJ vs MMA grappling though as i'm sure you know. There is far less stalling in MMA grappling.

I wasnt really arguing whether its entertaining anyway, I said before that grappling is not great from a spectator perspective. I'm talking about the technical aspects of it that get completely downplayed by a lot of MMA hater boxing fans. Bravado here being the most recent example. "hur hur all you have to do is get on top of him and do ground and pound", okay bro go do that to a division 1 wrestler/BJJ black belt and if you succesfully manage tell me if you still think it didnt feel like fighting and if you dont feel like you're better at fighting than the other guy now.