If you enjoy boxing more than MMA, why?

[TMLT87]

Some MMA fans are just very prideful and don’t want there favorite sport to be looked upon as inferior to boxing.

Its not a matter of anyone being prideful. Its a matter of some boxing fans saying really dumb dismissive shyt that shows a lack of knowledge of what you're even watching. "I dont find grappling entertaining" for example is a completely fair comment.

As a boxing fan ive heard people on the MMA side say dumb shyt like boxing isnt real fighting because its too limited, or that its pillow fighting because of the gloves etc. Its the same thing.

[Amandlala]

The cage is annoying. Looks like something for BDSM.

[Bravado]

Some MMA fans are just very prideful and don’t want there favorite sport to be looked upon as inferior to boxing.

Which is fine. However that’s a personal problem. If you ask me which I think is better, I’m gonna tell you which one and why.

I do not want to pay to see someone rush to lay on top of their opponents, smother them, and do ground and pound.

Nor do I want to be chastised by someone who’s gonna act as if I don’t understand what I’m looking at. It’s like saying I don’t grasp the concepts of competitive typewriting, it’s irrelevant to me. I don’t value it because I don’t care about it. Takedowns obviously take a certain level or talent but I don’t wanna see fights end like that because laying on top of someone and claiming you’re a great fighter, knowing a great chunk of what aids in your win is layin on top of someone is corny.

[TMLT87]

Which is fine. However that’s a personal problem. If you ask me which I think is better, I’m gonna tell you which one and why.

I do not want to pay to see someone rush to lay on top of their opponents, smother them, and do ground and pound.

Nor do I want to be chastised by someone who’s gonna act as if I don’t understand what I’m looking at. It’s like saying I don’t grasp the concepts of competitive typewriting, it’s irrelevant to me. I don’t value it because I don’t care about it. Takedowns obviously take a certain level or talent but I don’t wanna see fights end like that because laying on top of someone and claiming you’re a great fighter, knowing a great chunk of what aids in your win is layin on top of someone is corny.

Not finding it entertaining is perfectly reasonable, thats not the part i'm arguing with. All i'm saying is the whole "its not fighting" and dismissal of it as "laying on top of someone" etc is akin to someone that doesnt have a clue about boxing saying its just two dudes throwing haymakers at each other with pillows on their hands or being all "why doesnt he just punch the other guy in the face and knock him out?". Its oversimplifying and dismissing what actually goes into it. Sorry if it came across like I was chastising lol.

[Haka]

Not finding it entertaining is perfectly reasonable, thats not the part i'm arguing with. All i'm saying is the whole "its not fighting" and dismissal of it as "laying on top of someone" etc is akin to someone that doesnt have a clue about boxing saying its just two dudes throwing haymakers at each other with pillows on their hands or being all "why doesnt he just punch the other guy in the face and knock him out?". Its oversimplifying and dismissing what actually goes into it. Sorry if it came across like I was chastising lol.

Takedowns take some skill however, it does not take THAT much skill to rush in, dodge/absorb some punches and try to gain the upperhand by laying on top, and turn it into a butt sniffing contest. The luck factor is much higher, you just have to buckle up and be in top condition and you have a chance to topple your opponent.

In boxing, if one is a better boxer you can have the best conditioning in the world and you will still be getting outhussled and kayo'd. In that regard boxing is much more fair and classy, and that is why it is more appealing to some.

[CaneloBlue]

The cage is annoying. Looks like something for BDSM.

Made me spit out my coffee. Thanks lol

[TMLT87]

Takedowns take some skill however, it does not take THAT much skill to rush in, dodge/absorb some punches and try to gain the upperhand by laying on top, and turn it into a butt sniffing contest. The luck factor is much higher, you just have to buckle up and be in top condition and you have a chance to topple your opponent.

Eh, Ive gotta disagree. I think successfully closing distance, taking somebody down then establishing control on the ground is less luck based than probably anything in combat sports tbh. You have to do multiple things right in quick succession for it happen. A takedown is a big, full commitment movement too which means theres a fair amount of risk involved because you cant recover from a failed takedown attempt anywhere near as easily as a missed punch for example.

In boxing, if one is a better boxer you can have the best conditioning in the world and you will still be getting outhussled and kayo'd. In that regard boxing is much more fair and classy, and that is why it is more appealing to some.

This I do agree with. Not when it comes to the wrestling part specifically, but yes overall boxing is a much more controlled environment than MMA, its a lot harder to land a Hail Mary or something and score an upset from it. But you cant really fluke your way to victories via a ground based top control approach in MMA, its a very calculated thing.

[KingGilgamesh]

There is a massive difference in the pace and intensity of regular GI BJJ vs MMA grappling though as i'm sure you know. There is far less stalling in MMA grappling.

I wasnt really arguing whether its entertaining anyway, I said before that grappling is not great from a spectator perspective. I'm talking about the technical aspects of it that get completely downplayed by a lot of MMA hater boxing fans. Bravado here being the most recent example. "hur hur all you have to do is get on top of him and do ground and pound", okay bro go do that to a division 1 wrestler/BJJ black belt and if you succesfully manage tell me if you still think it didnt feel like fighting and if you dont feel like you're better at fighting than the other guy now.

Indeed and tbh there is a reason why gi bjj is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the wider fighting community. I trained at a gracie barra gym and a bunch of the top guys moved to my current mma gym to allow their training to integrate more into wider MMA.

But it's still not perfect and MMA being being young means it's yet and iron out a viewable ruleset. The other issue is the separate promotions means there is some relative fracturing in how those rules see implemented. I stumbled across a match up in Bellator or elitexc and I noticed they actually had a standing count and a limit on the amount of knockdown you could receive...I feel it made the fight more watchable.

[TMLT87]

Indeed and tbh there is a reason why gi bjj is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the wider fighting community. I trained at a gracie barra gym and a bunch of the top guys moved to my current mma gym to allow their training to integrate more into wider MMA.

But it's still not perfect and MMA being being young means it's yet and iron out a viewable ruleset. The other issue is the separate promotions means there is some relative fracturing in how those rules see implemented. I stumbled across a match up in Bellator or elitexc and I noticed they actually had a standing count and a limit on the amount of knockdown you could receive...I feel it made the fight more watchable.

Gracie Barra, ouch, I see what you mean about the price and yeah, a good MMA gym is far better value. Dont blame you for moving.

Ive never been a huge fan of traditional BJJ. I dont like the slower pace, the relative willingness to butt scoot and I feel like it just gets these weird geeky or stoner types and I have no idea why it happens there but not with No gi or MMA or wrestling. It could be the Joe Rogan/Eddie Bravo effect maybe, then again I guess they did mostly no gi so **** knows.

I dont think MMA has a problem with the ground game getting in the way of entertainment value personally. It feels to me that, at least in the UFC, the fights are like 75% striking nowadays. The average level of grappling is good enough these days that I guess people are more hesitant to expend energy trying to take the fight to the ground because the chances of it ultimately winning you the fight are a lot lower than they would have been 20 years ago.

[CaneloBlue]

Indeed and tbh there is a reason why gi bjj is becoming increasingly irrelevant in the wider fighting community. I trained at a gracie barra gym and a bunch of the top guys moved to my current mma gym to allow their training to integrate more into wider MMA.

But it's still not perfect and MMA being being young means it's yet and iron out a viewable ruleset. The other issue is the separate promotions means there is some relative fracturing in how those rules see implemented. I stumbled across a match up in Bellator or elitexc and I noticed they actually had a standing count and a limit on the amount of knockdown you could receive...I feel it made the fight more watchable.

Bellator > UFC