If you enjoy boxing more than MMA, why?

[TMLT87]

Yeah Brock was an overachiever 100%. People forget he was branded a joke when he first crossed over, especially after the Mir loss. He proved A LOT of people wrong during his time in UFC.

He was legit for sure. I think if he'd gone to the UFC sooner after he left the WWE he might have been champ for most of the 00s. But he showed up in his 30s, right at the tail end of a weak era not long before guys like Cain and JDS started getting in the mix, and then on top of that he had the whole diverticulitis thing.

The competition he faced for a guy that had less than 10 fights is ****ing insanity.

[CaneloBlue]

I dont like the wrestling or the kicking.

Think it’s the wrestling that throws most boxing fans off.

[Bravado]

This thread might be a little bit too dated as far as me commenting on it? However I like boxing more than MMA, simply because I think boxing has a better fight presentation than MMA does. There really is not much personality in MMA as far as how the fighhers coming to the octagon with their clothing compared to boxing.


I also like the fact that boxers are supposed to keep being busy, as opposed to people in MMA? They can literally lay on top of one another, smother each other, and present to you a fight that’s not really that aesthetically pleasing. MMA match is a more like soldiers at war, versus warriors battling one another in boxing. Warriors have a code, they have honor. That’s why we don’t really herald guys like Bernard Hopkins because he was known to be very dirty. That’s why Andre Ward caught hell because of how dirty he would fight. That’s why Floyd will catch it as well for certain dirty things he would do.

In MMA? It’s boring to watch two people roll on the mat, and one person claims to be better than his opponent because he won by getting one good strike, and then doing ground and pound as if that makes you better at fighting. It doesn’t. It’s just sanctioned violence at its highest level.

Like when I look at what happened yesterday night when Errol Spence fought Ugas? You can clearly see why Spence won. Ugas has a lot of skill, but his biggest problem is when you force him to fight moving backwards he doesn’t do too well. So that pressure got to him. Grabbing someone in an octagon laying on top of them and smothering them with your bodyweight, is corny to watch because it’s not about who’s better at fighting as much as I’m gonna lay on top of you and just hope that you’re too tired to fight me off. It’s whack. That’s why Dana White in UFC, doesn’t feel compelled to pay his fighters that much because how can he justify it?? At any given time you can be put on a canvas in smothered until you’re too tired to fight.

[TMLT87]

In MMA? It’s boring to watch two people roll on the mat, and one person claims to be better than his opponent because he won by getting one good strike, and then doing ground and pound as if that makes you better at fighting. It doesn’t. It’s just sanctioned violence at its highest level.

Like when I look at what happened yesterday night when Errol Spence fought Ugas? You can clearly see why Spence won. Ugas has a lot of skill, but his biggest problem is when you force him to fight moving backwards he doesn’t do too well. So that pressure got to him. Grabbing someone in an octagon laying on top of them and smothering them with your bodyweight, is corny to watch because it’s not about who’s better at fighting as much as I’m gonna lay on top of you and just hope that you’re too tired to fight me off. It’s whack. That’s why Dana White in UFC, doesn’t feel compelled to pay his fighters that much because how can he justify it?? At any given time you can be put on a canvas in smothered until you’re too tired to fight.

Essentially you dont understand what you're watching on a technical level.

I love how boxing fans so often seem to have appointed themselves as gatekeepers of what "fighting" is whenever MMA or various other combat sports get mentioned too.



"put em up laddie!, oh wait, dont kick me or tears my arms off, thats not fighting!"

[Bravado]

Essentially you dont understand what you're watching on a technical level.

I love how boxing fans so often seem to have appointed themselves as gatekeepers of what "fighting" is whenever MMA or various other combat sports get mentioned too.



"put em up laddie!, oh wait, dont kick me or tears my arms off, thats not fighting!"

What am I not understanding?

[TMLT87]

What am I not understanding?

You dont seem to have a great comprehension of the grappling aspect, and because of that are downplaying how much actually goes in to it, case in point..

Grabbing someone in an octagon laying on top of them and smothering them with your bodyweight, is corny to watch because it’s not about who’s better at fighting as much as I’m gonna lay on top of you and just hope that you’re too tired to fight me off.

This is like saying "all you have to do is grab the ball and run into the endzone" or "all you have to do is punch him in the face". Its an oversimplification of the task that overlooks all the intricacies involved that lead to there being levels to how good certain people are at doing it.

If you arent good at grappling you arent going to be able take those UFC guys down, and even if you did take them down you wouldnt be able to "lay on top of them and smother them" for longer than a few seconds, and you certainly wont be getting into a position to effectively land ground and pound. Likewise if you arent good at grappling and get taken down, you arent gonna be getting laid on all fight, they will find a submission or get into position to ground and pound you very quickly because you wont be able to defend it.

I'm not saying its particularly exciting to watch usually, but that stuff is highly technical (much more so than boxing or any striking art) and its a valid part of a fight.

doing ground and pound as if that makes you better at fighting.

So winning a 1 vs 1 unarmed fight by ragdolling and controlling somebody then having them turtled up on the ground while you wail on them with punches and elbows doesnt make you better at fighting? what?

when I look at what happened yesterday night when Errol Spence fought Ugas? You can clearly see why Spence won.

You can clearly see why he won because you understand the technicalities of boxing. Someone that understands the technicalities of any sport is going to be able to see why somebody wins at it, that includes MMA.

[JakeTheBoxer]

MMA sux. I don`t see any so called "high skills" there. They fight like complete bums, they fight like I used to fight with my inmates in kindergarten, these grown bums are just more savage and with bad intensions.

[CaneloBlue]

I'm not saying its particularly exciting to watch usually, but that stuff is highly technical (much more so than boxing or any striking art) and its a valid part of a fight.

Curious. Why do you believe that wrestling is much more technical than boxing or any striking??

[Bravado]

You dont seem to have a great comprehension of the grappling aspect, and because of that are downplaying how much actually goes in to it, case in point..



This is like saying "all you have to do is grab the ball and run into the endzone" or "all you have to do is punch him in the face". Its an oversimplification of the task that overlooks all the intricacies involved that lead to there being levels to how good certain people are at doing it.

If you arent good at grappling you arent going to be able take those UFC guys down, and even if you did take them down you wouldnt be able to "lay on top of them and smother them" for longer than a few seconds, and you certainly wont be getting into a position to effectively land ground and pound. Likewise if you arent good at grappling and get taken down, you arent gonna be getting laid on all fight, they will find a submission or get into position to ground and pound you very quickly because you wont be able to defend it.

I'm not saying its particularly exciting to watch usually, but that stuff is highly technical (much more so than boxing or any striking art) and its a valid part of a fight.



So winning a 1 vs 1 unarmed fight by ragdolling and controlling somebody then having them turtled up on the ground while you wail on them with punches and elbows doesnt make you better at fighting? what?



You can clearly see why he won because you understand the technicalities of boxing. Someone that understands the technicalities of any sport is going to be able to see why somebody wins at it, that includes MMA.

I kinda see that you glossed over the point that I made when I said that Dana does not pay his fighters a certain amount of money. Why did you ignore honestly, the worst kept secret about MMA?

[TMLT87]

Curious. Why do you believe that wrestling is much more technical than boxing or any striking??

I mean more so the BJJ part of it but obviously MMA grappling is a mix of BJJ and wrestling.

The sheer amount of possible techniques between takedowns, ground positions, submissions, transitions and escapes is multiple times more than whats possible in any pure striking art, and then add to that that MMA grappling incorporates striking anyway. Theres also much more of a planning ahead approach with clear paths to certain preferable positions or submissions that require multiple moves to be successfully executed to achieve the end goal.

I mean doesnt this say it all?

Thats ONE position, and only addressing stuff the guy on his back could do from there.

I kinda see that you glossed over the point that I made when I said that Dana does not pay his fighters a certain amount of money. Why did you ignore honestly, the worst kept secret about MMA?

I didnt address it because I didnt really see the relevance. The pay sucks because its a sport that pretty much started in the 90s, didnt get popular until the mid 00s, is relatively monopolized by one promotion and doesnt have the Ali act. The pay is on a pretty rapid upwards trajectory anyway, its already probably 2-3x on average what it was in the 00s even though the UFC roster is much larger now. There were literally no millionaires in MMA 15 years ago.

People always seem to overlook other important factors in this as well, like the size of MMAs talent pool compared to boxing, the ratio of that talent pool that ultimately gets signed by the UFC (hint: it contains probably a higher percentage of its sports total talent pool than any other major sports league does) and the UFCs relative ability as a platform to give you the exposure to use your name and star power to make money in other avenues. In other words, your chances of making it to the UFC, being famous and making six figures per fight are most likely drastically higher than making it into the sub 1% of boxings much larger talent pool that is making bigger money.