Lomachenko Versus Kambosos, Says Mauricio Sulaiman ...

[Cypocryphy]

You're probably right. Reason I want him to fight Loma next is because there's zero chance Haney fights Loma if he beats Kambosos. Loma will fight everyone.

EXACTLY!!! I agree 1,000 percent

[STREET CLEANER]

Loma fights anyone and I think he beats Kombosos. Interesting match up since Haney don't want it, Garcia is still crying, Lopez left the division and Davis seems to be in limbo.

[ShoulderRoll]

You're probably right. Reason I want him to fight Loma next is because there's zero chance Haney fights Loma if he beats Kambosos. Loma will fight everyone.

Do you live in Bizarro World?

Haney was the WBC mandatory and Lomachenko's team requested Franchise Champion status so they wouldn't have to fight him.

In real life we know there is zero chancce that Lomachenko will fight Haney, because that is what actually happened once already,

[Cypocryphy]

Do you live in Bizarro World?

Haney was the WBC mandatory and Lomachenko's team requested Franchise Champion status so they wouldn't have to fight him.

In real life we know there is zero chancce that Lomachenko will fight Haney, because that is what actually happened once already,

Come on, Shoulder Roll. Are we going to do this again? I'm not sure where you think Haney was ever a mandatory. At what point did Haney become a mandatory challenger for Loma? I've been telling you that he never was a mandatory challenger. The moment he won the interim title, he ceased being a mandatory challenger. Even then, Haney had the opportunity to petition for a fight against Lomachenko, and he chose to fight Alfred Santiago. That was HIS choice. If he were serious about Loma, he would have petitioned to fight Loma. Those are just the facts.

Here's the rules for interim champions in the WBC:

18 In its sole discretion, the WBC shall subsequently determine the timing and terms of any bout between a Champion and Interim Champion to determine a sole champion in the division, provided, however, that an Interim Champion shall never be deemed a mandatory challenger, or entitled to greater share of proceeds of any purse offer beyond that of a challenger, without a specific prior written order to that effect from the WBC President or his designee.

For the avoidance of doubt, a WBC Interim World Championship shall be considered a true WBC World title for all purposes, other than with respect to a bout versus the actual World Champion, absent any order to the contrary from the WBC in its sole discretion. See rules.

You see? Haney has never been serious about fighting Loma. The franchise title changed nothing.

[ShoulderRoll]

Come on, Shoulder Roll. Are we going to do this again? I'm not sure where you think Haney was ever a mandatory. At what point did Haney become a mandatory challenger for Loma? I've been telling you that he never was a mandatory challenger. The moment he won the interim title, he ceased being a mandatory challenger. Even then, Haney had the opportunity to petition for a fight against Lomachenko, and he chose to fight Alfred Santiago. That was HIS choice. If he were serious about Loma, he would have petitioned to fight Loma. Those are just the facts.

Here's the rules for interim champions in the WBC:
You see? Haney has never been serious about fighting Loma. The franchise title changed nothing.

Devin Haney becomes mandatory challenger for Vasyl Lomachenko after winning interim title

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49699425

[PeepeePoopooMan]

Come on, Shoulder Roll. Are we going to do this again? I'm not sure where you think Haney was ever a mandatory. At what point did Haney become a mandatory challenger for Loma? I've been telling you that he never was a mandatory challenger. The moment he won the interim title, he ceased being a mandatory challenger. Even then, Haney had the opportunity to petition for a fight against Lomachenko, and he chose to fight Alfred Santiago. That was HIS choice. If he were serious about Loma, he would have petitioned to fight Loma. Those are just the facts.

Here's the rules for interim champions in the WBC:
You see? Haney has never been serious about fighting Loma. The franchise title changed nothing.

ShoulderRoll is a fvkcing idiot. He's on the @bigdunn nonsense where they just say that to have convince themselves da evil white devil ducked the superior black king

[Cypocryphy]

Devin Haney becomes mandatory challenger for Vasyl Lomachenko after winning interim title

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49699425

Yeah. I've seen that. That's just poor reporting. Sulaiman has come out and repeatedly stated to the media that it is a voluntary defense. Had Haney simply moved into the #1 spot, then like Luke Campbell, he would have been a mandatory challenger. The WBC messed everything up by awarding him the interim belt. Maybe it was intentional. I don't know. But I do know that it's been the rule for a very long time, that the interim champ is a voluntary challenger and not a mandatory. There have been similar situations in the past.

So the question is why would the WBC do that? The truth is that the Franchise belt changed nothing other than making the mandatory challenger, the #1 position guy, a voluntary too. The point, however, is that Haney had he been serious would have petitioned to fight Loam instead of Santiago. Sulaiman came out and said that himself, and he said that in front of Bill Haney. Haney had a chance to disagree with Sulaiman but he didn't say anything.

There are other reasons why it was never a duck, but what I said should be sufficient.

[ShoulderRoll]

Yeah. I've seen that. That's just poor reporting. Sulaiman has come out and repeatedly stated to the media that it is a voluntary defense. Had Haney simply moved into the #1 spot, then like Luke Campbell, he would have been a mandatory challenger. The WBC messed everything up by awarding him the interim belt. Maybe it was intentional. I don't know. But I do know that it's been the rule for a very long time, that the interim champ is a voluntary challenger and not a mandatory. There have been similar situations in the past.

So the question is why would the WBC do that? The truth is that the Franchise belt changed nothing other than making the mandatory challenger, the #1 position guy, a voluntary too. The point, however, is that Haney had he been serious would have petitioned to fight Loam instead of Santiago. Sulaiman came out and said that himself, and he said that in front of Bill Haney. Haney had a chance to disagree with Sulaiman but he didn't say anything.

There are other reasons why it was never a duck, but what I said should be sufficient.

Poor reporting from the BBC?

And from BoxingScene too?


"In 2019, Haney was the mandatory challenger to Lomachenko's WBC title.

Lomachenko, in what became a controversial move, made a request to the WBC to make him the "Franchise" champion. "

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-on-...%22%20champion.

[Cypocryphy]

Poor reporting from the BBC?

And from BoxingScene too?


"In 2019, Haney was the mandatory challenger to Lomachenko's WBC title.

Lomachenko, in what became a controversial move, made a request to the WBC to make him the "Franchise" champion. "

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-on-...%22%20champion.

How can he be the mandatory challenger when the rules specifically state that it's voluntary? How is that possible? You saw the rule, right? You can check it right now, if you want. I posted the link above.

How can he be mandatory when the rules say voluntary? When the rules have said voluntary for years and years? How is it possible?

[Cypocryphy]

Poor reporting from the BBC?

And from BoxingScene too?


"In 2019, Haney was the mandatory challenger to Lomachenko's WBC title.

Lomachenko, in what became a controversial move, made a request to the WBC to make him the "Franchise" champion. "

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-on-...%22%20champion.

That's a genuine question too. I really do want to know how everyone says mandatory when the rules say voluntary.

This happened years ago, too.

Here's an example of where it happened before:

“Sanctioning bodies, however, often abuse the interim championship system. One example was in the WBC's flyweight division in 2005–2006. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam had defended his world title 11 consecutive times. Number-one contender Jorge Arce won an interim championship bout instead of receiving a title shot against Wonjongkam, who continued to defend his world title. Arce defended his interim championship four times before he vacated it in order to move up to super flyweight. Wonjongkam eventually set the flyweight division record for consecutive title defenses, without ever fighting against interim champion Arce.”

I honestly want to know how the rules mysteriously changed for Haney and he became a mandatory when he won the interim belt.