Comments Thread For: Frazer Clarke: I've Got To Be Moved Correct, Not Fast, It's a Learning Process

[M312]

Clarke needs to make sure he doesn't move too slow. He waited a long time for his Olympic slot, I'd say he's already lost some momentum from that by waiting so long to go pro. Bet most casuals have no idea who he is.

Needs to build that momentum back quickly.

[Rodtang]

Boxers don’t need loudmouthed Teflon promoters who are always in front of cameras like Puff Daddy in shiny suits to be a huge draw. It’s about the product, style of boxing, how they’re matched, media hype and being exposed to a big audience.

The misconception about promoters making boxers a big draw started with AJ and Hearn and Hearn using AJ to attain superstar status as a promoter. AJ with or without Hearn would’ve been who he’s (even bigger). He’s the most popular prospect in British Boxing history and he capped it up with a gold medal at an Olympics hosted in GB with a sold out crowd. And with his ferocious/aggressive style - he was destined to be who he’s.

Boxers make promoters - promoters don’t make boxers. All the biggest draws in boxing history made their promoters.

That said, it’s not about how experienced those running BOXXER are - it’s about the massive SKY platform they have at their disposal (Hearn was also inexperienced when he hit the jackpot with AJ and he’s still very inexperienced due to all his gaffes). And as a young boxer trying to build a fan base - you need that exposure. That’s how you build to become a PPV star. And if you’re a KO artist - it’s only a matter of time before you build a solid loyal fan base across the country who would pay to watch you because they know what they’re getting.

Also, Matchroom have the worst matchmakers in boxing and they have consistently ruined young prospects. So before he signed with BOXXER - I was expecting him to sign Frank Warren. But I don’t think Fish Eyes can afford him and since he’s with 258 and due to AJ’s relationship with Skysports - he made the right decision. I expect Whittaker to do the same thing.

I see you clearly can't stand Hearn. And Warren is better how exactly?

[LA_2_Vegas]

Never heard of the guy - wanting to be "moved correctly" doesn't exactly make me want to check for him either,

[1Eriugenus]

Firstly, age is a number & not always a reliable one. Secondly, 30 is not old for today's H/Ws. I'd like to se him go the old-school way & fight for Commonwealth, British & European titles before going for a 'world' title. If possible, it would be good if he could fight at least 6 times a year in his first 2 years.

[Rodtang]

Clarke needs to make sure he doesn't move too slow. He waited a long time for his Olympic slot, I'd say he's already lost some momentum from that by waiting so long to go pro. Bet most casuals have no idea who he is.

Needs to build that momentum back quickly.

I'm not sure why some heavyweights wait before they turn pro. Although I have a theory. If you look at the ages of Joshua, Joyce and now Clarke. 32,36 and 30. They all could have been pro around the same time. In fact you'd have expected Joyce to turn first in terms of age. But I think they are each waiting for their team GB predecessor to move on so they can find their own slot when it's ' their time ' so to speak. Partly because of the Olympics. But also in part to get their crack at the top of the pro game when their predecessor is on the way down. I get it. But it means some of them perhaps waiting too long to turn pro. Joyce for example has potentially a lot less time at the top than Joshua. Clarke is only starting out at 30, and needs to get on a bit. But I suspect that he'll be built slowly to allow Joshua and Joyce to fade out. Not so much in terms of not being able to beat them. But to hit high stock when theirs is on the decline. But the downside is his own time at the top will be limited. Dubois turned early. He said he knew he'd have to wait a long time to be team GB's top guy and didn't want to hang around. But at 19, I think that showed a lack of confidence that he could knock Clarke from his perch. But I think Dubois can benefit by turning earlier than the others. But just not as early as 19. He should have turned around 24 or 25 and built up his experience, and still have lots of pro time. He's learning on the job as a pro, but against who? The calibre is poor, and now their in title shot reach and the guy ain't ready. It's a tricky balancing act between the right amount of amateur experience and getting the right amount of time in the pro ranks. Time will tell which of these guys got it the most right. Obviously Joshua is the one to surpass at the moment.

[kafkod]

Smart guy and that’s why he didn’t sign with Hearn/Matchroom.

I see Whittaker doing the same thing. Ditto most amateurs coming through the TeamGB ranks.

Hearn is a greedy muppet and Matchroom has the worst matchmakers in boxing. They ruin prospects at Matchroom. So he basically dodged a bullet and he’d be better for it eventually.

Why did the Matchroom matchmakers destroy my life by matching AJ with Usyk? Why? .. why? ... why!!!!?

[M312]

I'm not sure why some heavyweights wait before they turn pro. Although I have a theory. If you look at the ages of Joshua, Joyce and now Clarke. 32,36 and 30. They all could have been pro around the same time. In fact you'd have expected Joyce to turn first in terms of age. But I think they are each waiting for their team GB predecessor to move on so they can find their own slot when it's ' their time ' so to speak. Partly because of the Olympics. But also in part to get their crack at the top of the pro game when their predecessor is on the way down. I get it. But it means some of them perhaps waiting too long to turn pro. Joyce for example has potentially a lot less time at the top than Joshua. Clarke is only starting out at 30, and needs to get on a bit. But I suspect that he'll be built slowly to allow Joshua and Joyce to fade out. Not so much in terms of not being able to beat them. But to hit high stock when theirs is on the decline. But the downside is his own time at the top will be limited. Dubois turned early. He said he knew he'd have to wait a long time to be team GB's top guy and didn't want to hang around. But at 19, I think that showed a lack of confidence that he could knock Clarke from his perch. But I think Dubois can benefit by turning earlier than the others. But just not as early as 19. He should have turned around 24 or 25 and built up his experience, and still have lots of pro time. He's learning on the job as a pro, but against who? The calibre is poor, and now their in title shot reach and the guy ain't ready. It's a tricky balancing act between the right amount of amateur experience and getting the right amount of time in the pro ranks. Time will tell which of these guys got it the most right. Obviously Joshua is the one to surpass at the moment.

Clarke has been quite open about how he waited for his chance at the Olympics. Thats where he saw his path. He was backup for AJ, then Joyce and finally he got his crack. A long time to wait, and he said he knew after AJ that that was the way to become a star.

But was it worth waiting when everyone has already forgotten who you are? I mean I'm sure the Sky deal is great, but if I asked my mates who Clarke was I bet they'd have forgotten already, and they're sports fans.

I know AJ waited a year after Olympics, but he won Gold at the London Olympics, Clarke just isn't in the same spot.

[Rodtang]

Yeah your right. You have to wonder. If he made the right choice. I'm not so sure. But good luck to him.

[BangEM]

LMAOOO. I see the lil skinhead and racist white supremacist, Kafkod, who’s always pro-whiteness is mad I don’t give a fcck about his hero, Hearn. LMAOOO. This bummy Fury slurper is talking about matchups when he sleeps on here defending Fury for not fighting Whyte. Dirty and smelly Northern chav.

Man, fccck you in yer lil cave and fccck Hearn. I’m from London and I don’t see colour!

[BangEM]

I see you clearly can't stand Hearn. And Warren is better how exactly?

This is about who can guide his career better. And based on the sample size available - especially with how Joyce has been guided with his limited talent - I just thought he’d develop better under Warren.

The only reason why there was hype about Hearn was the misconception that he made AJ a superstar when he actually didn’t. Hence he hasn’t been able to create any other boxer to even become a borderline star and he ruined all the ones with potentials to become stars. AJ made Hearn and Matchroom have the worst Matchmakers in boxing.

Joyce is the most limited HW currently being hyped. And how was he able to attain the position? - it’s basically because of how he was matched. He should get his title shot pretty soon. If Joyce were with Matchroom - he would’ve be exposed and beaten by now because Hearn definitely would’ve thrown him in there with a terrible style matchup.

Look at Josh Warrington for example: he was with Hearn for a long time and his career never progressed. Then he left Matchroom for Frank Warren and Warren guided him to become a world champ. Left Warren and went back to Hearn because he thought Hearn has the big bank to bring him the unification fights he wants and ended up getting sparked back into obscurity by an unknown Mexican. Ditto Kid Gallag. I could go on and on. Matchroom is where careers die because they don’t do their homework properly.

Money isn’t just everything in boxing. It involves a lot of other things. Tyson Fury isn’t as good as advertised but he looks like a world beater due to favourable matchups. Wilder is a certified bum who made a career out of knocking off bums. Even a clown like Jake Paul looks like a boxer due to how they keep giving him planks to knock off. That’s how the game is played - you just don’t throw boxers into the deep end all the time - it’s just ****** and wicked. There’s no perfect boxer and you have to build boxers slowly and match them well to create a buzz for them and help them develop. Especially when it comes to confidence.