Comments Thread For: Jake Paul: I'm One of The Most Valuable Boxers in This Sport

[ELPacman]

Oh, I also think his fake MVB belt is somewhat disrespectful. That thing looks like it came out of Fay Cry New Dawn or something punk dystopian. While you got guys who fought for some real belts with real ***els on them, this guy walking around with something that looks like it should be part of a Halloween costume.

[-Kev-]

No doubt, he's making money with these "circus fights" and good for him and his brother. However, I have a hard time categorizing him as a legit boxer because of who he fights.

Yeah, he is not a legit top boxer. He is boxing for money after he saw how much money he can make from that fight vs the other youtuber. He realized he has a good fanbase that will help him make money in boxing. He is clearly not in it to rival Roberto Duran’s resume.

What the Paul bros are doing reminds me of my friends and I boxing in building lobbies and basements and recording it. Except Paul has millions of fans to watch his recordings, and his fanbase is so big that big networks want him. We were just doing it for fun.

My intentions of street boxing was never to call out Winky Wright or any other top 10 P4P fighter. It was literally just for fun, entertainment, just to have a good laugh. We would attract small crowds and sh/t and stopped when cops came by to ruin the fun. It was just plain ol fun. That’s what the Paul’s are doing but just with a huge audience.

[TMLT87]

In MMA you are good at everything, great at nothing.

This isnt really true. There are plenty of elite wrestlers and BJJ guys in MMA, and a few elite level kickboxers. Theres just not elite boxers because boxing pays better.

[SUBZER0ED]

Yeah, he is not a legit top boxer. He is boxing for money after he saw how much money he can make from that fight vs the other youtuber. He realized he has a good fanbase that will help him make money in boxing. He is clearly not in it to rival Roberto Duran’s resume.

What the Paul bros are doing reminds me of my friends and I boxing in building lobbies and basements and recording it. Except Paul has millions of fans to watch his recordings, and his fanbase is so big that big networks want him. We were just doing it for fun.

My intentions of street boxing was never to call out Winky Wright or any other top 10 P4P fighter. It was literally just for fun, entertainment, just to have a good laugh. We would attract small crowds and sh/t and stopped when cops came by to ruin the fun. It was just plain ol fun. That’s what the Paul’s are doing but just with a huge audience.

It's just peculiar. Brilliant as far as bringing in cash, but peculiar. The Paul brothers are using "boxing" to make money by beating up celebrities who are not boxers (Woodley), and even some who have hardly any experience boxing at all. How odd that there's even a market for it. For Paul to say that he's one of the most valuable guys in boxing just doesn't sound right, because it's not boxing in the true sense of the word.

[jmrf4435]

The Jake Paul coverage is all over the place right now. The kid is a bozo, has yet to face a real boxer and would get crushed by any legit boxer however, this YouTuber who just started boxing within the last couple of years has put more eyes onto the sport than any of your favorite current fighters. It’s a sign of what’s always been the problem with boxing. Often times, the most popular boxers who do the best numbers aren’t necessarily the best. Having casual fan support and groupies are what drives the numbers up.

He is doing NO DIFFERENT than what floyd did to fans for years!!

Same with guys like tank davis and andrade!! Fighting easiest schedules and maximizing paydays..

This is prize fighting

[billeau2]

I always found MMA records very strange. For example Chael Sonnen has something like 30-17. He is considered an MMA great, highly respected. I understand that in MMA there are more ways to lose, so records will be inflated in the L column. But I think it’s clear that in MMA there are great fighters who can keep their L column number at a minimum.

GSP, Jones, Usman, Covington, Khabib, Demetrius Johnson, Eliminienko, Aldo, Cormier, Adesanya, to name a few…these guys have records you would see in pro boxing. So it can happen. But there are “legendary” fighters in MMA with a 16-14 record. The record of a journeyman.

Yeah I get it: “It’s because they fought the best and ducked no one.”

Okay, but, GSP, Jones, Usman, Elimienko, etc, fought the best…why do they have 0-5 losses in their long MMA career? Why aren’t Jones and GSP 20-15? That’s because they are actually good fighters. I do not want to hear, that because you fight the best you will have 20 losses. Imagine if the same was applied to boxing? DeMarcus Corley and Emmanuel Burton would be ATG’s.

Anyway, regarding Paul bros, boxing has been about entertainment since its inception. This elitist attitude adopted along the way is a modern boxing fan thing. But guys like “Battling Nelson” were not highly skilled boxers. If Arturo Gatti fought in the past, in the 1900s, with his same grit and toughness, today he would be considered an ATG despite fans talking so much sh/t about boxers with “no skills” like Wilder. Truth is the Paul brothers would have been right up boxing fans alley way back then. If they think the Paul’s resume are sh/t because they don’t fight “real boxers”, they would be very disappointed to see how many guys off the streets Jack Dempsey fought. Dempsey and fighters of that time had like 100 Ben Askren’s on their resume.

There are other issues here that take precedent. They are complex but here goes an attempt to hash some of them out. Lets start with a premise: In human combat there are some broad defined skills, punching, kicking grappling... Now lets look at a place where martial artists competed against each other cross discipline, around Dempsey's time. Hawai would be that place and what we find are matches where sometimes the boxer won, sometimes the Ju Jutsu man... What is clear is that there is parity enough so that despite occasional matches where one guy is Koed quick, there is a general level of skill involved allowing everyone to be able to deal with techniques that are not familiar.

Brazil is another place where this happens: brazil by the 20th century had the most varied grappling game in the world, Catch Can, Ju Jutsu, Lankinshire wrestling, and so many others... One finds the same situation, despite the Gracie narrative. Basically everyone competed on equal footing, no one was markedly superior. This included anything goes matches (Vale Tudo), MMA matches... Lutte Livre, the native Brazilian art that competed with the Gracies and other Japanese Judo based stuff.

I want you to imagine that in this polyglot comes a person who picks up an art to practice and becomes proficient in it. He is not a professional, but capable enough that under certain rules he can win against all these other groups of fighters. Heres a clue, it never really happened. The Gracies even at their best when coming to this country to promote the UFC never fought against a sanctioned boxer or Thai fighter. So the claim that a grappler would win against a professional Thai, or Western boxer is unfounded.

I mention all this to say that Jake Paul was able to show that his first opponent, a professional fighter (Ben Askrew) was clueless. He also showed that his second opponent, alleged to be a striker in MMA of exceptional ability was also unable to deal with a content provider who recently took up boxing.

No, this is not the same as older fighters fighting various degrees of opponents and NO if Paul went into the ring with a proffessional boxer he would not be able to do what he did to MMA guys who have been exposed as basically not technically able to deal with a boxer, and not even a professional boxer trained for many years. Gatti was a technically sound professional boxer but would never be considered a ATG boxer.

Yes Paul is entertainment... but its not about Jake Paul. When Chinese so called masters were getting tucked in unison it became apparent that these individuals knew nothing about how to fight. And we can talk til the cows come home about Paul and how good he is/isn't... its about MMA and how technically deficient it has become.

[billeau2]

It's just peculiar. Brilliant as far as bringing in cash, but peculiar. The Paul brothers are using "boxing" to make money by beating up celebrities who are not boxers (Woodley), and even some who have hardly any experience boxing at all. How odd that there's even a market for it. For Paul to say that he's one of the most valuable guys in boxing just doesn't sound right, because it's not boxing in the true sense of the word.

I mean... think about it. Lets use very particular language here: Paul is boxing, it is about boxing, its just that Paul is not that skilled a boxer. And shouldn't a professional MMA fighter, who is known as a hitter, who has some familiarity with boxing, be able to easily deal with a guy who just started to really train as a boxer? IMO it is boxing in the true sense of the word because using very basic boxing skills that most professional career fighters have mastered easily, Paul was able to take apart an elite striker who is at the apex of his career.

I think it is about MMA being exposed. Forget about Woodley Ben Asknew looked like a giggly jiggly girl who was being taught how to hold a guard... His total lack of striking theory and practice was peculiar.

[tophat1]

He's one of the sports biggest draws, unfortunately

[SUBZER0ED]

I mean... think about it. Lets use very particular language here: Paul is boxing, it is about boxing, its just that Paul is not that skilled a boxer. And shouldn't a professional MMA fighter, who is known as a hitter, who has some familiarity with boxing, be able to easily deal with a guy who just started to really train as a boxer? IMO it is boxing in the true sense of the word because using very basic boxing skills that most professional career fighters have mastered easily, Paul was able to take apart an elite striker who is at the apex of his career.

I think it is about MMA being exposed. Forget about Woodley Ben Asknew looked like a giggly jiggly girl who was being taught how to hold a guard... His total lack of striking theory and practice was peculiar.

I'm a traditionalist, so all of this talk about a Youtuber somehow taking the boxing world by storm doesn't sit well with me. I mean, he KO'd a former mma fighter who just got started in boxing. I would say that striking in mma differs from the technique of boxing. Also, Woodley took the Paul fight on two weeks notice. He was motivated by money and ego, thinking he could come back and get revenge for losing the first fight by decision. As for exposing mma fighters, there is talk of Paul taking on Anderson Silva next. I guarantee he'll have his hands full with him.

[TMLT87]

The Gracies even at their best when coming to this country to promote the UFC never fought against a sanctioned boxer or Thai fighter.

its about MMA and how technically deficient it has become.

MMA is technically deficient because an MMA fighter lost in a boxing match to a much younger, bigger man who has been training exclusively boxing for around 3 years and has access to high level coaching and resources?

You're writing a whole lot of text but I still cant understand what the **** you're talking about.