Comments Thread For: Jake Paul: I'm One of The Most Valuable Boxers in This Sport

[-Kev-]

I would go one step further: Paul has given boxing back its primacy and taken a piss in the mouth of MMA... Its a complicated issue but basically? when MMA became a professional endevour, it was assumed that the striking skills were universally examplory. The argument was "there are just some adjustments needed because of the sport." Paul has really been a thorn in the side of that argument. He has shown that two MMA fighters... the first one looking like he did not even know how to throw a punch, the second unable to beat a content provider lol... are really lacking.

I always found MMA records very strange. For example Chael Sonnen has something like 30-17. He is considered an MMA great, highly respected. I understand that in MMA there are more ways to lose, so records will be inflated in the L column. But I think it’s clear that in MMA there are great fighters who can keep their L column number at a minimum.

GSP, Jones, Usman, Covington, Khabib, Demetrius Johnson, Eliminienko, Aldo, Cormier, Adesanya, to name a few…these guys have records you would see in pro boxing. So it can happen. But there are “legendary” fighters in MMA with a 16-14 record. The record of a journeyman.

Yeah I get it: “It’s because they fought the best and ducked no one.”

Okay, but, GSP, Jones, Usman, Elimienko, etc, fought the best…why do they have 0-5 losses in their long MMA career? Why aren’t Jones and GSP 20-15? That’s because they are actually good fighters. I do not want to hear, that because you fight the best you will have 20 losses. Imagine if the same was applied to boxing? DeMarcus Corley and Emmanuel Burton would be ATG’s.

Anyway, regarding Paul bros, boxing has been about entertainment since its inception. This elitist attitude adopted along the way is a modern boxing fan thing. But guys like “Battling Nelson” were not highly skilled boxers. If Arturo Gatti fought in the past, in the 1900s, with his same grit and toughness, today he would be considered an ATG despite fans talking so much sh/t about boxers with “no skills” like Wilder. Truth is the Paul brothers would have been right up boxing fans alley way back then. If they think the Paul’s resume are sh/t because they don’t fight “real boxers”, they would be very disappointed to see how many guys off the streets Jack Dempsey fought. Dempsey and fighters of that time had like 100 Ben Askren’s on their resume.

[TMLT87]

I always found MMA records very strange. For example Chael Sonnen has something like 30-17. He is considered an MMA great

Not really. Hes just well known, largely off the back of his big mouth and that he did better than people expected (but still lost) against prime Anderson. Hes definitely not had an ATG career.

Who is the legendary fighter who is 16-14?


Someone who IS a legitimate ATG who has a ton of losses is Dan Henderson, but then he fought at UFC level until he was 46.

[-Kev-]

Not really. Hes just well known, largely off the back of his big mouth and that he did better than people expected (but still lost) against prime Anderson. Hes definitely not had an ATG career.

Who is the legendary fighter who is 16-14?


Someone who IS a legitimate ATG who has a ton of losses is Dan Henderson, but then he fought at UFC level until he was 46.

BJ Penn is 16-14-2 in his MMA career. He made it into the UFC hall of fame.

Unfortunately we would never see guys like Glen Johnson, DeMarcus Corley, or Emmanuel Burton in the boxing HOF. Despite them fighting like, everyone.

[zflynn]

Yes, he is the most valuable person in every one of these fixed fights. They need to call this "Dancing with the Bribe Taking Stars meets the WWF". Anyone ****** enough to believe this is legit deserves every penny they get swindled to watch these ****** hack choreographed dances.

[TMLT87]

BJ Penn is 16-14-2 in his MMA career. He made it into the UFC hall of fame.

Unfortunately we would never see guys like Glen Johnson, DeMarcus Corley, or Emmanuel Burton in the boxing HOF. Despite them fighting like, everyone.

You've gotta look at it in context though. His skill level, well roundedness and athleticism was comparable to that of a modern day top 10 UFC LW, except he debuted at a point where MMA had basically existed for less than a decade. As for his losses, he had this weird brutal decline as soon as the 2010s came around like someone flipped a switch, theres a huge contrast from 00s BJ and 10s BJ. He also didnt give a **** and would fight guys that were naturally much bigger than him (one of his losses is to Machida ffs) which didnt help.

[SUBZER0ED]

Sorry Jake, you're going to have to beat someone more substantial than a washed up basketball player and a has-been mma champ, before you're elevated to most valuable boxer status.

[-Kev-]

Sorry Jake, you're going to have to beat someone more substantial than a washed up basketball player and a has-been mma champ, before you're elevated to most valuable boxer status.

No, he actually doesn’t have to fight a supposed real boxer. He is literally one of the most valuable boxers today. He literally is. If you read the article, you could see that he meant that from a financial aspect, the attention, and PPV sales he generates. This makes him one of the most valuable boxers.

Why would a celebrity youtube boxer who boxes pro as pure entertainment reasons as well as being in it for the event side of boxing, go ahead and fights supposed real fighters? Why? He can sell 500k to a million PPV’s with his circus fights.

You could see in the title as well, I'm One of The Most Valuable Boxers in This Sport.

Keyphrase: One of.

That is not his opinion, that is fact. These guy’s lowest PPV figures are 500k. Some fans, boxers, and MMA fighters are salty about it. Some fans accuse the Paul bros for other boxers not getting attention. Boxers that wouldn’t have had attention from fans with the Paul bros existing.

[SUBZER0ED]

No, he actually doesn’t have to fight a supposed real boxer. He is literally one of the most valuable boxers today. He literally is. If you read the article, you could see that he meant that from a financial aspect, the attention, and PPV sales he generates. This makes him one of the most valuable boxers.

Why would a celebrity youtube boxer who boxes pro as pure entertainment reasons as well as being in it for the event side of boxing, go ahead and fights supposed real fighters? Why? He can sell 500k to a million PPV’s with his circus fights.

You could see in the title as well, I'm One of The Most Valuable Boxers in This Sport.

Keyphrase: One of.

That is not his opinion, that is fact. These guy’s lowest PPV figures are 500k. Some fans, boxers, and MMA fighters are salty about it. Some fans accuse the Paul bros for other boxers not getting attention. Boxers that wouldn’t have had attention from fans with the Paul bros existing.

No doubt, he's making money with these "circus fights" and good for him and his brother. However, I have a hard time categorizing him as a legit boxer because of who he fights.

[gluvsup]

Well, he is valuable, in sheer $$$. But his value to me as a longtime fan is zilch.

He’s a plodder like those who used to cram the bills on the old Friday Night Fights (where, at least, you’d occasionally get an Emmanuel Augustus to spruce things up). I bring up FNF for another reason, too: this is where the young and second and third tier fighters worked while the A-list was busy milking the PPV economy into extinction. As a consequence, boxing in the US didn’t have much of a public face when the old economic model collapsed.

It says a lot about the mismanagement of boxing that a YouTube star with limited skills waltzed in and took over. That’s usually what happens in failing businesses that have some assets left to be leveraged by a keen outsider who strips them. Take a bow, high and mighty boxing promoters who won’t let their talent cross the street — you own this.

[ELPacman]

I like Paul but the truth is a one punch guy.There is no way he connects against a real boxer.Let's face it MMa guys can't fight.they do not even know how to throw a jab.
MMa fighters are frustrated boxers who can't box.Fact.One the other hand Paul's brother is a better boxer at least he has a Jab.Jake has no jab at all.At all.Still Mofo can punch that is why I am a fan has a chin and he puts his money where his tongue is

The truth I think is MMA fighters are too ****y in that they think they can do it all and aren't respecting the boxing "craft" enough. All this talk about MMA has more this and that while boxing is just punches. Yes, that is true. Though it is punches at the highest level. Everything involves being able to read the punches, throw them correctly and defend against them properly. This sounds easy as pie until you actually face a boxer whose sole dedication has been to what I just described. I've said it before and I'll say it again. In MMA you are good at everything, great at nothing. These guys then come into a sport where you have to be GREAT at something. Thus, they usually look average or mediocre in that area.

Should Tyron have beaten Jake with his overall fighting experience? Probably. Though while Tyron just really got into boxing, Jake has been working his craft and becoming specialized in the area of "punching". So perhaps Tyron said, meh, I've taken better shots against MMA guys or this is nothing, I just need to throw punches and try not to get hit enough. That is easier said than done when someone else is mastering this craft.