Why Canelo and Pacquiao stand out more than Mayweather

[GrandpaBernard]

That being said

Alvarez isn’t on manny’s level yet let alone Floyd’s level

Floyd beat 5 great fighters. And he made it look easy with 4 of them

Alvarez has yet to beat one great fighter

[LeOoze]

Wtf are you on??

At only 20 freakin yrs old he beats Mosley-truly elite

Lara(only a sad hater thinks he lost that fight)truly elite

Cotto truly elite

ggg 2 clear win and truly elite

Jacobs truly elite

Callum Smith super 6 winner The ring #1 smw at the time Truly elite

Oh I get it they’re only truly elite before canelo beats them once he whoops them they are bums right?

Man gtfoh

Mosley was shot as **** when Canelo fought him. Cotto truly elite? Good fighter, but no. Also undersized and past his prime. GGG a truly elite? Who has he beaten? Jacobs truly elite?

[-Kev-]

Castillo twice.

Mosley was #1 right? Lineal champion? Or I don’t know.

I think even 9 is something no one else has ever done either.

I thought of the Castillo rematch, which yes, he was #1. But you said “10 fighters”, not “10 fights”.

Mosley was #2 WW, #3 P4P.

[IronDanHamza]

I thought of the Castillo rematch, which yes, he was #1. But you said “10 fighters”, not “10 fights”.

Mosley was #2 WW, #3 P4P.

Ten fighters who were ranked #1 when he beat them, so that would mean the fights. Castillo x2

I could have sworn Mosley was the #1 WW in the world after he beat Margarito but I could be wrong my memory is hazy these days.

Wasn’t that Brian Kenny’s whole argument back then, that Mosley was the WW champion and that’s who he should fight?

[BodyBagz]

There was a lot of complaining that canelo cotto and martinez wouldn't fight him tbh

Then moving up would have been a logical choice.

[dan_cov]

First & only fighter to retire 50-0
Beat 23 world champions.
Beat 16 world champions in a row also a record.

[-Kev-]

My intention here it's not to plug into the whole Pacquiao Mayweather fight question of who won. And I'm going to contradict myself and say nobody won that fight. Nobody beat anybody. If Mayweather hit Pacquiao with a few more punches and the decision was warranted great but that is hardly winning. Canelo was more or less dominated different situation entirely

Pacquiao’s accuracy was awful. Mayweather was awful too with his accuracy, worse than many of his other fights, and still landed almost double what Pac landed.

Mayweather power punching accuracy was as good as it has always been, landing at 48%.

Mayweather landed double on every category except jabbing, which he quadrupled. I don’t care too much about jabs though. I score power punches. Mayweather landed the better punches in more rounds.

Since about 2009, Mayweather fans have always said Mayweather would beat Pacquiao in a 12 round boring decision. 2015 was no different, that’s exactly what happened.

In fact I predicted that Maidana, not Pacquiao, would be the tougher match for Floyd. Maidana could have gotten a Draw or a Win vs Mayweather in the first fight and it would not have been the “wrong” decision. Neither fighter getting the W was wrong. In fact it should have just been a Draw imo. Maidana fought Mayweather as well as I thought he would. It just a stylistic issue for Mayweather. Which is weird because Devon Alexander of all fighters had an easy time with Maidana.

Following that fight was the Pacquiao fight which I thought was pretty clean and very easy to score. I mean, you had a guy outlanding another guy in more rounds, landing the better punches in more rounds. It really was not a sloppy/ugly/difficult fight to score.

[dan_cov]

Not to discredit Manny but the whole being a multi-weight world champion thing is disgustingly overrated in general and doesn't mean half as much as it used to.

99.9% of the time its just a weight bully cherrypicking the weak links.

I mean isn't AB like a 4 weight world champion? And look who he beat for those titles. Same with Linares irrc
I think they probably beat like one top 10 ranked opponent between them.

There are far too many belts and belt collectors in this era

I put a lot more stock in clearing out a division than I do bouncing up and down and fighting bums for paper titles.

Its only going to get worse also especially with how boxing is and given there is another division that has been created

[dan_cov]

Out of interest and I am asking as I genuinely don't know but how many divisions if any did Manny actually clear out?

[-Kev-]

Ten fighters who were ranked #1 when he beat them, so that would mean the fights. Castillo x2

I could have sworn Mosley was the #1 WW in the world after he beat Margarito but I could be wrong my memory is hazy these days.

Wasn’t that Brian Kenny’s whole argument back then, that Mosley was the WW champion and that’s who he should fight?

Pre Margarito vs Mosley: Ring

1. Margarito
2. Cotto
3. Mosley
4. Clottey
5. Pacquiao (due to beating DLH)

Post Margarito vs Mosley:

Mosley was #1 for a short period of 2009, his inactivity dropped him to #2 behind Pacquiao after Pac beat Cotto in November 2009.

Cotto beat Jennings, which was just a comeback fight. He then fought Clottey which I thought he lost that fight. Then fought Pacquiao and was KO’ed. He then left 147. This made Pacquiao skip over Mosley because Mosley was inactive (calling out Pac and May), and Pacquiao beat Cotto. Of course beating Hatton, The Ring champ at 140, also got writers/voters really excited and they moved Pac up all the way to #1 at 147 after the Cotto fight. I guess it was a combination of beating DLH-Hatton-Cotto.

After November 2009: Ring
1. Pacquiao
2. Mosley
3. Mayweather
4. Cotto
5. Clottey

Mosley spent his entire 2009 calling out Mayweather and Pacquiao. Mosley visited the wildcard gym twice to ask Roach to let him fight Pacquiao.

“Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny,” Roach says. “I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn’t enough money there, and second, you’re too good a fighter.”

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-feb-02-la-sp-dwyre-pacquiao2-2010feb02-story.html

We then saw Mosley enter the ring to interrupt Mayweather’s post fight interview for the September 2009 fight vs JMM. Mayweather, who came back to fight Pacquiao, accepted the Mosley challenge for May 2010 after Pacquiao/Roach rejected blood testing for a May 2010 super fight.

A bit off topic: Mosley, the liar, said he has been waiting to fight Mayweather for a long time. Mayweather called out Mosley twice and Mosley rejected him because of a toothache and vacation. In reality, GBP didn’t want to do business with Mayweather’s promoter Bob Arum. So Mosley had to make up some BS excuses as to why he can’t fight Floyd. Regardless, the fight could have happened at least as far back as 2005, when Mayweather first called out Mosley from 140, saying he is willing to move up to 147 for both DLH and Mosley and would stay at 140 for Kostya Tszyu. Tszyu then lost to Hatton that same year, Mayweather the wanted Hatton but team Hatton said they needed a couple more years.