Why Canelo and Pacquiao stand out more than Mayweather

[BodyBagz]

When Ward froch and kessler retired the rest of the division was really mediocre and and still is

GGG was allowed to loiter in a weak MW era without anyone complaining.

[Stuntman Mike]

GGG was allowed to loiter in a weak MW era without anyone complaining.

There was a lot of complaining that canelo cotto and martinez wouldn't fight him tbh

[786]

Pac's style is more 'flashy' (in terms of excitement - people see speed, power and wars and are entertained) he wasn't as dominant in the ring as Floyd so there was a lot of drama in his fights while Floyd was easily shutting out the best in the world by the time he became a household name.

Couple that with Pac's 'people's champ' persona and Floyd's 'villain-like' rhetoric and it's not hard to see why people chose Pac over Floyd. The reality is, Floyd's a greater fighter and deserves to be ranked above both these guys. ****, he dominated both of them when it came down to it. This ain't no Lewis-Bowe hypothetical, the fights actually happened and we saw who was the best.

[SweetPbfAli]

Do they really stand out more than Mayweather when people constantly use Mayweather as the measuring stick?

[DrHouse579]

Name everything Mayweather did in his career that was unique. And I am not talking about salaries or PPV buys.

Name at least 1 thing he did that hasn't been done before him.

Before you answer, please go look up the definition of unique.

Pacquiao, 8 division champion in boxing. Literally unique. It has never been done before he did it.

Canelo, first Mexican to unify all the belts in a weight class. Literally unique. Never been done before. First fighter to unify 168. Never been done before, since the weight class' inception in the 80s. Mayweather would not have been the first American to unify a weight class, but he didn't even accomplish that.

Please tell me you know what unique even means. I assume you only speak English, so there should be no excuse as to why you don't know what the English word, unique, means. No excuse whatsoever.

Just one unique thing? What about beating the most current or former world champions in history (23)? Needless to mention he defeated 16 of them in consecutive fights. You've already mentioned he's technically the best boxer of the three, now you have your bit of trivia to push Floyd over Canelo and Pac, right? It's kind of ridiculous to put Canelo's unification up there with Pac's and Mayweather's achievements. I mean 3 of the 4 organizations were only established in the late 80s, so we're really only talking about 30ish years of history here. Canelo hasn't done enough to get on their level yet.

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather beat 10 fighters ranked #1 in the weight class being fought in.

I don’t think anyone else ever did that to my knowledge.

[IronDanHamza]

Boxing, HOF, ATG, doesn't have to be about dominating anyone.

First, fans say it's all about fighting the best. When a fighter fights the best, all the best fighters he could fight, and wins, then the goal post is moved and he now needs to dominate all the elite fighters he fights.

It is no longer "Oh he needs to fight the elite fighters". "Oh he needs to fight all the elite fighters and win!". "Wait, no, hold on, he now needs to fight all the elite fighters, win, AND dominate them!"

This is why boxing as a top sport in the US, is dead. Americans don't even know what they want to see in a fighter. They are confused. So it died in the US and migrated to Europe. Because Americans don't know what the hell they want in a fighter.

With Mayweather it was, "oh he cherrypicked that's why he dominated!"

With Pacquiao it was, "oh he weightdrained and cherrypicked fighters that's why he dominated!"

Now with Canelo, who has fought elite fighters in their prime and at their weight, it's "Oh he fought the best fighters he could fight, in their prime but he didn't dominate them!"

Do you see how boxing can become an unbearable sport to discuss with Americans? They do not even know what they want to see in a fighter.

You have an amazing fighter, fighting the best fighters he could fight, in their prime, at the weight they want, when the critics ask for it, and he is given a tough fight or wins a decision in a close fight, and he is not good enough because of this.

Boxing fans clearly don't know what the heck they want in a fighter. Newsflash, boxing is hard. Boxing is a tough sport. No one is going to look perfect 100% of the time. The best fighters can look bad vs mediocre fighters, elite fighters, old fighters. Boxing is a tough sport to look good in 100% of the time.

You talk about "Mayweather dominated elites...". Name the elites he dominated in their prime. Name the HOF'ers he dominated in their prime. Tell me with a straight face that Mayweather vs Castillo and Maidana could not have gone to the other fighter in a close loss for Mayweather? Tell me underachieving Judah did not drop Mayweather?

Hell, Mayweather barely beat a past prime De La Hoya, who won 7-5 on one card, and lost 5-7 on another card.

You got 3 fighters, not even really elites, at the time, JLC #1 ranked but not elite/ not considered P4P one of the best, who could have narrowly beaten Mayweather. Castillo, De La Hoya, and Maidana. Did I think he won those 3 fights? Yes, I had him narrowly winning all 3, with Maidana really being the one that could have really gone to Maidana and I could not complain about it.

The fact is, none of these 3 fighters that gave Mayweather hell and almost gave him a loss were elites. Castillo was not a top 10 P4P fighter. Neither was De La Hoya. Neither was Maidana. None of these guys were "elites". Those 3 fighters were about as good/respected as Daniel Jacobs, Miguel Cotto, Callum Smith when Canelo fought them.

GGG, Lara, Jacobs, C. Smith, and Trout were being made out to be about as big as a boogeymen as fans were making Margarito out to be for Mayweather. Then Canelo fights all 5 of those guys who he was accused of ducking, and he gets no credit because he did not beat them 12 rounds to 0 or by TKO1.

Boxing fans of the United States are totally clueless on what they want in a fighter. Their requirements change like a chameleon.

I personally think how you win should come into play when judging a fighter.

Sure, what matters is the win. But, if a fighter has failed to beat top level fighters clearly, that should hold weight.

For example, James Toney, he has wins over top fighters but he arguably lost basically all of them. I think they should be taken into account.

[-Kev-]

Mayweather beat 10 fighters ranked #1 in the weight class being fought in.

I don’t think anyone else ever did that to my knowledge.

130:
G. Hernandez
Corrales

135:
Castillo

140:
Gatti

147:
Baldomir
Pacquiao

154:
Cotto
Canelo (Ring)

That’s 8 different number 1 ranked/Ring fighters. Who were the other two #1 ranked fighters of the weight class he fought them in?

As far as top 3 fighters, there you cab see Floyd’s resume shines. Combined with the above listed fighters, Floyd beat 13 different top 3 fighters, to my knowledge.

Mosley #2 WW, #3 P4P
Ortiz #3 WW
Guerrero #3 WW
De La Hoya #3 JMW
Manfredy #2 SFW

[FeFist]

Except they don't out more than Floyd.

He is seen as the best fighter of his era. It is reflected in his resume, his performances, and his numbers.

You can talk about "unique accomplishments". Substance, at the end of the day, will prevail. Anyway you cut it, people without an agenda will see that Floyd has victories over both of them.

[Floyd is TBE]

Again. Why do Pac feel the need to lie about him winning belts in 8 weight classes? You that desperate to pad the mans resume? He's only held titles in 6. And even calling a 6 weight champion is a joke considering he never fought above 147. He didn't have the balls to fight a true 154lber without all his handicaps. Also, no cares about Canelo winning a bunch of meaningless titles in a weak division. Lots of people could have accomplished that **** if they actually cared about belts. The only thing that matters is winning. And Floyd won every tume. He beat Canelo, he beat Pac. Both of those ****boys were begging Floyd for a rematch because they know how much beating Floyd would matter to their legacy. It matters more than Manny moving fighting at featherweight and it matters more than Canelo holding a bunch of meaningless show belts.