Why Canelo and Pacquiao stand out more than Mayweather

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  • -Kev-
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    Why Canelo and Pacquiao stand out more than Mayweather

    Okay, yes, Mayweather beat them both. He is technically better than both, H2H. He literally went 2-0 vs them. Let’s get that out of the way. No matter how much anyone wants to scream robbery or controversy, the fact remains that Mayweather outboxed and outpointed both Canelo and Pacquiao.

    Canelo is a legend. His career is already very unique, one of a kind. He is literally the only Mexican to unify all 4 belts in the 4 belt era. He is the first fighter to unify all belts at 168.

    Mayweather didn’t really do anything “unique”. He is great, one of the best without a doubt, but what he did had already been done before him. 50-0, big deal, 1 more win than Marciano’s 49-0. JCC went 89-0-1 before losing, albeit with a highly padded record. Ricardo Lopez went 51-0. Calzaghe went 46-0.

    Pacquiao also did something unique, never been done before, champion in 8 weight classes.

    I am not saying Canelo and Pacquiao are greater than Mayweather, he beat them both. I am just saying they can say they did something that has never been done before in the 100+ years of professional boxing, Mayweather can’t say that. They stand out. They literally are the first of their kind. Mayweather can just say he is the PPV king. Highest paid athlete of his time. Great accomplishments that was done by the greats before him. But he can’t ever say he did something unique. That is not a knock on his career at all. It’s the truth.

    People may bring up his fight vs GGG. But Mayweather also has a similar issue in his career vs Jose Luis Castillo and Maidana I. Pacquiao has the same sh/t, vs Marquez. Close fights vs the best, is not a detriment to one’s career. It’s actually great to see top fighters be tested. Boxing would be boring otherwise.

    I have not witnessed many fighters who actually fight every single fighter that their critics ask them to fight. When they asked him to fight them. Like Canelo has. There has yet to be a fighter critics told Canelo he is scared of needs to fight, and Canelo doesn’t take on that challenge.

    Who is next? Benavidez is the next one critics are hyping up. That’s how you know they ran out of fighters to hype up. Someone like Benavidez is getting hype now. The guy who fights with his chin out in the open, throws wide punches, has already been put on his ass, literally put on his ass, has already experienced a gift decision over an unknown fighter in Gavril, and has already shown to have stamina issues and has a tendency to punch him self out. This is who they are hyping now.

    Personally, I want to see Canelo vs Bivol, Beterbiev and Smith Jr, because I have no interest in reading these awful critics’ excuses after Canelo brutally KO’s Benavidez. I do not want to read about how Benavidez was not ready, he was green, he’s not elite, never beat an elite, Canelo only fought him cause he’s inexperienced and chinny, etc. A bunch of crap. Might as well skip all that, fight Beterbiev and Bivol. Start with Joe Smith Jr as a first, to get a belt. Then unify with the other top guys Beterbiev and Bivol.

    If Canelo fights Benavidez and KO’s him into oblivion, Canelo critics will say he beat no one, and that Benavidez was never elite to begin with and had already been exposed by Gavril. And they would be right. Benavidez literally does nothing for Canelo right now. A meaningless fight. Adds zero to Canelo’s HOF legacy.


    Ring champion at 154, 160, 168. Next stop should be 175. Beat the best there, unify all the belts and retire.


  • BodyBagz
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    Sorry but unless names are attached to the 8 div thing, no one should be impressed.
    Pac is loved because he was ''humble'' and fun to watch (I'll give him that much). He's like a really good Gatti.

    If Pac had a bad attitude with the same exact resume, I doubt people would love him.

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    • Roadblock
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      Didnt do anything unique lol, his entire career was unique, and yes he is a better boxer than both Canelo and Manny.

      I don't get why Floyd has always got to be put down, just say nothing if you don't wanna give him credit for what he did, the tall poppy syndrome.

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        He can cement his ATG status with a Bivol and Beterbiev win.

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        • Roadblock
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          #5
          Originally posted by tritium_arma
          He can cement his ATG status with a Bivol and Beterbiev win.
          Or go out a loser like Manny.

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          • -Kev-
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            Originally posted by Roadblock
            Didnt do anything unique lol, his entire career was unique, and yes he is a better boxer than both Canelo and Manny.

            I don't get why Floyd has always got to be put down, just say nothing if you don't wanna give him credit for what he did, the tall poppy syndrome.
            Name everything Mayweather did in his career that was unique. And I am not talking about salaries or PPV buys.

            Name at least 1 thing he did that hasn't been done before him.

            Before you answer, please go look up the definition of unique.

            Pacquiao, 8 division champion in boxing. Literally unique. It has never been done before he did it.

            Canelo, first Mexican to unify all the belts in a weight class. Literally unique. Never been done before. First fighter to unify 168. Never been done before, since the weight class' inception in the 80s. Mayweather would not have been the first American to unify a weight class, but he didn't even accomplish that.

            Please tell me you know what unique even means. I assume you only speak English, so there should be no excuse as to why you don't know what the English word, unique, means. No excuse whatsoever.

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            • TreyShaw
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              #7
              Canelo a true fighter

              Pac a true fighter

              Floyd a boxer not a fighter

              Big difference

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                Originally posted by BodyBagz
                Sorry but unless names are attached to the 8 div thing, no one should be impressed.
                Pac is loved because he was ''humble'' and fun to watch (I'll give him that much). He's like a really good Gatti.

                If Pac had a bad attitude with the same exact resume, I doubt people would love him.
                Then it should have been done before and after right? Regardless of attitudes. What he did was very easy, not impressive at all. So it should not have taken decades into the 17-weight-class era.

                If any fighter can go up 8 weight classes, and all they have to do is cherrypick the weakest names of a division, then why isn't it done more often? why has only one fighter done that?

                It really took little old Manny Pacquiao to expose how easy it is to move up 8 weight classes?

                So this little guy started at 108lbs and beat..MAB, Morales, David Diaz, Marquez, Cotto, Clottey, DLH, Hatton, Bradley, Thurman, Margarito, Jessie Vargas, throughout 108lbs to 150lbs? Easy, right? He even went 12 competitive rounds with Mayweather, the Fighter of the Decade of the 2010s. Very easy to do what Pacquiao did. Anybody can do it. If you have a pulse, you can do it.

                Noaya Inoue is next. Already champion in 3 weight classes. 5 more weight classes to go. All he needs to do to succeed is cherrypick.

                122lbs: Figueroa
                126lbs: Pick the weakest up there and fight for a vacant WBC or WBA
                130lbs: Vacant title fight vs Colbert, who has only 6KO's, no biggie
                135lbs: Again, just wait until a title is vacated and pick on the weakest of the top 10
                140lbs: They say Mario Barrios is easy pickings and that's why Davis fought him. Inoue can do the same. Wait until Taylor moves up and vacates and then fight Barrios for an easy W.

                Done, champion in 8 weight classes. No big deal. He can do it, he can beat anyone he cherrypicks. Anyone can do it really.


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                  I love Canelo but I just can’t put him in the same league as Mayweather or Pacquiao.

                  What elite fighter has Canelo dominated? None. That’s the true mark of a ATG talent and Canelo has yet to decisively defeat a truly elite fighter. Mayweather and Pacquiao both did. Hell, id say Andre award was closer to that level than Canelo.
                  Last edited by _original_; 11-13-2021, 02:33 AM.

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                  • BodyBagz
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by -Kev-

                    Then it should have been done before and after right? Regardless of attitudes. What he did was very easy, not impressive at all. So it should not have taken decades into the 17-weight-class era.

                    If any fighter can go up 8 weight classes, and all they have to do is cherrypick the weakest names of a division, then why isn't it done more often? why has only one fighter done that?

                    It really took little old Manny Pacquiao to expose how easy it is to move up 8 weight classes?

                    So this little guy started at 108lbs and beat..MAB, Morales, David Diaz, Marquez, Cotto, Clottey, DLH, Hatton, Bradley, Thurman, Margarito, Jessie Vargas, throughout 108lbs to 150lbs? Easy, right? He even went 12 competitive rounds with Mayweather, the Fighter of the Decade of the 2010s. Very easy to do what Pacquiao did. Anybody can do it. If you have a pulse, you can do it.

                    Noaya Inoue is next. Already champion in 3 weight classes. 5 more weight classes to go. All he needs to do to succeed is cherrypick.

                    122lbs: Figueroa
                    126lbs: Pick the weakest up there and fight for a vacant WBC or WBA
                    130lbs: Vacant title fight vs Colbert, who has only 6KO's, no biggie
                    135lbs: Again, just wait until a title is vacated and pick on the weakest of the top 10
                    140lbs: They say Mario Barrios is easy pickings and that's why Davis fought him. Inoue can do the same. Wait until Taylor moves up and vacates and then fight Barrios for an easy W.

                    Done, champion in 8 weight classes. No big deal. He can do it, he can beat anyone he cherrypicks. Anyone can do it really.

                    He began his career beating up food vendors and farmers.
                    Not many people are born that tiny and able to gain weight over time (sarcasm).
                    Not many fighters had the luck of facing such horrible opponents for those titles (vacant or otherwise -Lucas and Margarito !!!! )
                    He used *'s whenever he felt an opponent was too dangerous
                    He NEVER gave away 40 lbs to an opponent (108 lb Pac beat 144 lb Cotto and 152 ln Margarito NEVER HAPPENED )

                    Big fckin deal.. Pac gained weight and fought some questionable opponents, usually at their worst.

                    I'm impressed he hasn't been called on this.

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