Who had the better career Golovkin or Ward?

[Boxing-1013]

Hes a good lad... just went off the reservation one day and hasn't come back... Has some very interesting ideas like "Judges will score for the local fighter in a professional prize fight with two nationally known fighters..." Ive tried to dissabuse him of these fanciful notions, to no avail... he would rather give me a lesson in grammer... Under those conditions perhaps a good ole New York City double negative may be in order! "He ain't got no sense!

How new are you to boxing man? It happens all the time lol

[billeau2]

Lol....nah there was still a lot of controversy in the 2nd Kovalev fight. That's a fact. Ward had close fights nearly every time out. The only clean win he had was vs Froch, 7-5. 2 judges in the US had it 7-5. It was no dominating win. He pissed rounds away at the end and hung on to win. If that fight is in the UK or neutral, who knows how it goes.

If you say GGG-Canelo was an either way fight, then literally every fight is like that. You would then have no business saying Ward never had close fights. I just don't really think you know what you're looking at man. No offense.

So predictable... You will now proceed to explain away every Ward fight... yeah let me tell you that low blow turned the fight! Kovalev had Ward right in his sights before! Come on, your embarrassing yourself. Name a close fight in the tournament. Go ahead. Name one... You don't know how to watch a fight do you?

I used the Canelo GGG fight as an example of a point that you want to ignore and cannot: the difference when a great fighter is dominant, versus a close fight won by a round, a timely punch, etc...

Apparently everyone is wrong about what they are looking at... and Ward was not a dominant winner in that tourney... You see? that is full tard at its finest! everyone is wrong cept U right?

[Dodger07]

Ward was the Lineal and unified champ in 2 divisions. Wins over Kov, Froch and Kessler are better than any of GGGs wins imo so I'd say Ward.

[billeau2]

Dude, Ward couldn't sell out anything...what are you guys even talking about man...geez wtf

True you make a good point, much less when you were presented with a scenario involving ratios of fights to location you were clueless... you, as you say, are also clueless about the point being made here. Admitting ignorance is a great first step in parrying it... Kudos!

Settle down a little, and I will be glad to explain the point to you. Nice start, lets roll with it.

[Boxing-1013]

So predictable... You will now proceed to explain away every Ward fight... yeah let me tell you that low blow turned the fight! Kovalev had Ward right in his sights before! Come on, your embarrassing yourself. Name a close fight in the tournament. Go ahead. Name one... You don't know how to watch a fight do you?

I used the Canelo GGG fight as an example of a point that you want to ignore and cannot: the difference when a great fighter is dominant, versus a close fight won by a round, a timely punch, etc...

Apparently everyone is wrong about what they are looking at... and Ward was not a dominant winner in that tourney... You see? that is full tard at its finest! everyone is wrong cept U right?

I don't agree with much of what you said. I feel the way I do, and you seem to feel your way as well. No point in going around in circles here.

[Noelanthony]

Well this thread is about Ward vs GGG. I rate GGG higher. That's why we are here man, to talk about that. I've made my points on it.

I agreed with 2 of the judges who had it 7-5 to Ward. It is rare that a fighter gets worse cards than he deserves at home.

That I have to explain that to people is a shame. But, just play by your own rules. I expect you to never complain about scorecards in fights!!!

You keep making this point about the 2 judges but the English judge scored it 118-110 and Virtually everyone in boxing scored it big to Ward. just because you agree with it doesn't mean it was correct.
The home fighter Mayweather card read 114-114 against Canelo, so basically he was lucky to get a draw according to your logic of home fighter cards?

[Boxing-1013]

True you make a good point, much less when you were presented with a scenario involving ratios of fights to location you were clueless... you, as you say, are also clueless about the point being made here. Admitting ignorance is a great first step in parrying it... Kudos!

Settle down a little, and I will be glad to explain the point to you. Nice start, lets roll with it.

Hold on, you're agreeing with that dumbass, factually incorrect line that the other guy said?

Like, have a different opinion if you want. But when you start just lying to try and boost your case, you're doing too much. It's pathetic, and obviously a lie man. Touting something like that lie, and really ridiculous argument, is just pathetic dude.

[Boxing-1013]

You keep making this point about the 2 judges but the English judge scored it 118-110 and Virtually everyone in boxing scored it big to Ward. just because you agree with it doesn't mean it was correct.
The home fighter Mayweather card read 114-114 against Canelo, so basically he was lucky to get a draw according to your logic of home fighter cards?

Does Canelo get good cards in Vegas too? lol Wow, I'm shocked!!

I cite other judges/scores when they sync with what I see. Often times judges are corrupt. But a lot of times you have a good judge who gets it right as well.

[billeau2]

How new are you to boxing man? It happens all the time lol

use logic: Most fighters DO NOT fight in their home town... It is rare, so how could "it" happen all the time? You don't understand how the fight game is organized... Fighters usually fight out of a regional area. Brooklyn New York has many many Polish, Eastern Euro, African fighters who fight out of the area because they train there... Vegas has even more fighters that fight out of the area because the entertainment venues are local to the area... Sam Peter did not fight out of Nigeria, he fought out of Las Vegas right?

Ward and Regis Prograis are two fighters who were born and raised in an area that can accomodate professional prize fights. They are somewhat unique, though there are some fighters from NYC who fight out of Madison Square Garden, etc and who were born and raised in the city.

Help yourself! throw yourself a lifeline and learn something... Ward and Prograis are unique. So what you claim happens all the time is an impossible claim.

[Boxing-1013]

use logic: Most fighters DO NOT fight in their home town... It is rare, so how could "it" happen all the time? You don't understand how the fight game is organized... Fighters usually fight out of a regional area. Brooklyn New York has many many Polish, Eastern Euro, African fighters who fight out of the area because they train there... Vegas has even more fighters that fight out of the area because the entertainment venues are local to the area... Sam Peter did not fight out of Nigeria, he fought out of Las Vegas right?

Ward and Regis Prograis are two fighters who were born and raised in an area that can accomodate professional prize fights. They are somewhat unique, though there are some fighters from NYC who fight out of Madison Square Garden, etc and who were born and raised in the city.

Help yourself! throw yourself a lifeline and learn something... Ward and Prograis are unique. So what you claim happens all the time is an impossible claim.

The 'home' fighter does not literally mean the guy's backyard. Sometimes it does, as you pointed out with Ward. Which basically just means - this guy is DEFINITELY not getting bad cards in that scenario.

Often times the 'home' fighter is the guy who has the bigger name/better promoter, and the venue is more neutral as far as where each guy was born.

Pac for example, was the home fighter in many of his fights. But not against Horn, in Australia. Are you starting to get it....