Who had the better career Golovkin or Ward?

[billeau2]

Does Canelo get good cards in Vegas too? lol Wow, I'm shocked!!

I cite other judges/scores when they sync with what I see. Often times judges are corrupt. But a lot of times you have a good judge who gets it right as well.

But what you fail to see is that Ward fighting out of Oakland is not a categorically understood home court advantage for so many reasons. Where you are correct is when a fighter decides home court based on an international situation. I agree with you on this, it is very different. So: when Ward fights out of Oakland instead of Vegas it means little as an advantage... any fan that can go to vegas can to to oakland... However fighting Ottke in Germany coming from another country is a different situation entirely.

[Noelanthony]

hes a good lad... Just went off the reservation one day and hasn't come back... Has some very interesting ideas like "judges will score for the local fighter in a professional prize fight with two nationally known fighters..." ive tried to dissabuse him of these fanciful notions, to no avail... He would rather give me a lesson in grammer... Under those conditions perhaps a good ole new york city double negative may be in order! "he ain't got no sense!

i like him he is usually knowledgeable and generally respectable. I always try and keep are debates civil

[Boxing-1013]

But what you fail to see is that Ward fighting out of Oakland is not a categorically understood home court advantage for so many reasons. Where you are correct is when a fighter decides home court based on an international situation. I agree with you on this, it is very different. So: when Ward fights out of Oakland instead of Vegas it means little as an advantage... any fan that can go to vegas can to to oakland... However fighting Ottke in Germany coming from another country is a different situation entirely.

Whatever you have to tell yourself man

[GhostofDempsey]

GGG. He arguably beat Canelo 2X, tied the title defense record with Hopkins. He also earned way more money than Ward. Talk to us about Ward's best PPV numbers...160K buys, versus 1.3 million buys for GGG/Canelo I. Ward fought a weight drained Dawson, and got a gift in the first Kovalev fight. He was a boring, dirty fighter who couldn't sell.

[billeau2]

The 'home' fighter does not literally mean the guy's backyard. Sometimes it does, as you pointed out with Ward. Which basically just means - this guy is DEFINITELY not getting bad cards in that scenario.

Often times the 'home' fighter is the guy who has the bigger name/better promoter, and the venue is more neutral as far as where each guy was born.

Pac for example, was the home fighter in many of his fights. But not against Horn, in Australia. Are you starting to get it....

Am I starting to get it? Lol, great... you moved the goal posts... Good enough for me. Can I just nit pik one thing here? Often times/MOST times unless it is an international fight there IS NO home fighter. Its simply not based on geography. Yes venue is neutral as far as where each guy was born.

Trying to get you to see Ward had no fighting advantage being in Oaktown was tough, so you got me good by getting yourself to understand this!
Seriously though... Go back to a point I made very early in this discussion, when you didn't "get me good" yet... When a fighter fights in an underprivaleged area, they may well sacrifice exposure and fight revenue... I don't know what Ward's gate receipts are lol... BUT they give back to their communities. That money, the hotels, the flights, the ticket sales, the uber rides, goes into the community. Ward and REgis P both GREW up in their respective cities and gave back... to me that is admirable.

[billeau2]

I don't agree with much of what you said. I feel the way I do, and you seem to feel your way as well. No point in going around in circles here.

LOl, im just teasing you... I have to put some fires out here lol... Yes there is nothing wrong with differing opinions.

[Noelanthony]

Does Canelo get good cards in Vegas too? lol Wow, I'm shocked!!

I cite other judges/scores when they sync with what I see. Often times judges are corrupt. But a lot of times you have a good judge who gets it right as well.

EVEN WHEN YOU ARE BIASED TOWARDS THE FIGHTER. YOU ADMITTEDLY ARE NOT A WARD FAN AND AS YOU CLAIMED , WARD PISSED AWAY THE LAST ROUNDS. HE LOST 2 OF THE LAST 4 ROUNDS.ANYWAY THAT IS ACADEMIC. YOU CLAIMED WARD HAS BEEN IN TOUGH FIGHTS.? HE HAS DOMINATED ALL HIS CHALLENGES BARING THE KOVALEV FIGHTS. Again that just my subjective opinion

[real raw]

Ward is an underachiever, IMO, much in the vein of Crawford. Neither really dared to be great.

[Boxing-1013]

We are just going around in circles here guys

[!! Shawn]

GGG is one of the best this era, he missed out on facing Pavlik, Sergio, Cotto, Sturm, and Abraham, but I won’t fault him for those because they avoided him. Defeating 3 out of 5 of those names would’ve been great for these discussions (and if we’re being honest, he’s the favorite over all 5, but there’s little reward in hypotheticals).

Ward actually faced the top fighters in his division, Chad Dawson, and Kovalev; Froch, Dawson, and Kovalev were top 10-20 P4P fighters around the time he fought them too. I believe he was ready and willing to make the GGG fight and moved up to fight Kovalev when the writing was on the wall.

Golovkin not facing Ward and taking a leave of absence late in his prime are going to hurt him in these discussions.

The dawson fight is a HUGE asterisk. Dawson came down from light heavy to super middle for the fight, they didn't meet in the middle.