Floyd laid the blueprint for how to beat Canelo

[Floyd is TBE]

Canelo is better than floyd and mike tyson

Floyd and Tyson were monsters at 23. Canelo at 23 was making excuses for losing to a 36 yr old welterweight.

[Boxing-1013]

That wasn’t because he was drained. That is because no one he’s fought since is as good as Floyd.

As for looking good, yes he’s vastly improved. But I’d argue other than Floyd, his worse performance in the ring was ggg 1 at 160 ( Lara at 155, but that was before Floyd.)

I think the evidence strongly suggests that the version of Canelo who fought Floyd was not at all close to the best version. My view on that is pretty solid.

[The Big Dunn]

I think the evidence strongly suggests that the version of Canelo who fought Floyd was not at all close to the best version. My view on that is pretty solid.

Two things can be true at the same time.

I think it’s obvious Canelo is better now than he was at 23.

It is also obvious he hasn’t fought anyone remotely as good as Floyd since then.

He has looked better from 160-175 but he also had his worst performance other than Floyd as well.

[Salsaon123567]

Floyd's blueprint was to weight drain a 23 year old contender. That's just not gonna work these days. On top of Canelo not being a kid anymore, he has learned to go to the body, hit the the arms, and counter the right hand. Floyd's blueprint was being the A side...

[HrNY]

Berto(e) had the cutest shoulder roll I seen with his t-Rex arms and stocky physique lol

that shit with guerrero was comedic. it lasted 1 round and 27 seconds into the 2nd till he said f this lol

[ShoulderRoll]

Nope..............

You need to watch the fight, then.

Canelo couldn't solve the shoulder roll once again, for large portions of the fight.

He did throw a right hand to the body that eventually helped wear Plant down, though.

[Boxing-1013]

Two things can be true at the same time.

I think it’s obvious Canelo is better now than he was at 23.

It is also obvious he hasn’t fought anyone remotely as good as Floyd since then.

He has looked better from 160-175 but he also had his worst performance other than Floyd as well.

I would argue GGG at 160 is a pretty tough fight, but at the same time, I don't think Canelo did that well (enough to win) in either fight there too.

To me his best fights have actually been post GGG2. To me they have all be clear wins with little to no controversy., against very solid fighters.

[Floyd is TBE]

I think the evidence strongly suggests that the version of Canelo who fought Floyd was not at all close to the best version. My view on that is pretty solid.

What evidence? Considering Canelo hasn't come anywhere close to fighting a boxer of Floyd's caliber, we don't know **** about how improved the "best version" over the 23 yr old version. I mean, the best fighter Canelo has faced since Floyd is GGG and he needed a gift from the judges to avoid taking an L. Is that enough to say Canelo has improved since then?

But one thing we do do know for sure is the "best version" of Canelo has taken up roids.

[The Big Dunn]

I would argue GGG at 160 is a pretty tough fight, but at the same time, I don't think Canelo did that well (enough to win) in either fight there too.

To me his best fights have actually been post GGG2. To me they have all be clear wins with little to no controversy., against very solid fighters.

I didn’t think you did.

Fielding, Yilidrim, Kov, BJS, Plant and Jacobs. Yes all clear. Very Solid???????

[Boxing-1013]

What evidence? Considering Canelo hasn't come anywhere close to fighting a boxer of Floyd's caliber, we don't know **** about how improved the "best version" over the 23 yr old version. I mean, the best fighter Canelo has faced since Floyd is GGG and he needed a gift from the judges to avoid taking an L. Is that enough to say Canelo has improved since then?

But one thing we do do know for sure is the "best version" of Canelo has taken up roids.

I think GGG at 160 is a tough fight. Fought him twice. Compare it however you want to a 36 year old Floyd at 152, but yeah it's similar to me. I do feel he lost twice, but at the same time, I think that fight was a different test than Floyd at 152. Not saying better or worse, but styles make fights and all that.

I also think post GGG 1 Canelo has fought a much tougher/smarter gameplan against guys who can't trouble him with power. The weight he is fighting at now is way different than where he fought Floyd, and it is hard to compare performances for that reason.

For me, Canelo at 23 fought a bad gameplan vs Floyd, and it wasn't his best weight, and it was a couple pounds shy even of 154. I think the evidence shows that his best weight is close to where he is fighting now. BJS Smith and Plant are all good but not elite fighters, but Canelo did win all 3 convincingly. He struggled to do that against good fighters at lower weights.

I agree he is probably roided to the gills now, but he actually looks like he is an elite fighter now, before he just had the star power but not the skills.