Can guys with 25 losses or more be top 25 ATG's

[CantBeTouched]

lol even 10 losses you suck, 25 losses you're a straight up bum, let alone ATG. mayweather could lose his next 24 fights in a row and still not have 25 losses lmao

[miron_lang]

Where's Pancho Villa?

Are those retired fighters only?? Pac's Resume > ODLH, EM, MAB, BHop, RJJ

BScene should have their own TOP 50

[-EX-]

Where's Pancho Villa?

Are those retired fighters only?? Pac's Resume > ODLH, EM, MAB, BHop, RJJ

BScene should have their own TOP 50

I wouldn't put Pac ahead of RJJ...idk about Pancho

And the list is a year or two old...

[JAB5239]

Where's Pancho Villa?

Are those retired fighters only?? Pac's Resume > ODLH, EM, MAB, BHop, RJJ

BScene should have their own TOP 50

I've never made a list past 10 or 15, but I may give it a shot (up to 25) and let you guys tear it down. If I do do it I'll be drawing from other peoples list and coming to my own conclusions. I don't have the patients or knowledge to come up with my own from scratch.

[-EX-]

I've never made a list past 10 or 15, but I may give it a shot (up to 25) and let you guys tear it down. If I do do it I'll be drawing from other peoples list and coming to my own conclusions. I don't have the patients or knowledge to come up with my own from scratch.

That's the only way you really can do it...

I doubt very few here have seen a lot of Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, and others...

[DiLLiNGER]

Now no, back in the day when they fought hundreds of fights in their career then yes.

Sugar Ray Robinson was something like 103-1 (or was it 130-1) before he retired and came back after a long lay off and started losing more regularly.

You think Floyd or anyone else can amass a record of such prestige?

sugar ray was on of a kind,173 (108 ko's) loses 19,there will never be a boxer like him,sometimes he use to fight up to 4 or 5 times a month,sounds unbelivable but its on his box rec,nowdays how many times do they fight 3 times a year max.the top pros,so people should never compare the chumps nowdays with the champs from back in the day and sugar ray is the greatest boxer of all time,the record shows it and the opposition he fought.

[switch44]

Henry Armstrong as an example ATG. 149-21-10 (101 KO). Back in the days a fighter can fight 2 times a month with only a week of notice or even possibly days.

Longest KO winning streak of 27 KO. beat that. I don't think so.

[DiLLiNGER]

1964-11-27 160¼ Fabio Bettini 162½ 20-10-5
Palazzetto dello Sport, Roma, Lazio, Italy D PTS 10 10
1964-11-14 163 Jean Beltritti 163 6-1-0
Palais des Sports, Marseille, Bouches-du-Rhône, France W PTS 10 10
1964-11-07 162 Jean Baptiste Rolland 157½ 10-4-0
Helitas Stadium, Caen, Calvados, France W PTS 10 10
1964-10-24 161 Jackie Cailleau 162 11-10-0
Palais des Sports, Nice, Alpes-Maritimes, France W PTS 10 10
1964-10-12 162 Johnny Angel

just amazing this dude use to be a machine.(sugar ray robinson)

[-EX-]

Nobody fighting today is touching the top 10 ATG's...not even a question

[JAB5239]

That's the only way you really can do it...

I doubt very few here have seen a lot of Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, and others...

This is the thing that gets me about guys who like to put down past greats and than slamming the historians that defend them. The historians aren't just looking at the fighter, they're looking at the fighters opponents, the opponents opponents, the social climate of the day, the different rules, how often a fighter fought and so on. Ranking a fighter just isn't as easy as looking at his record. Especially when you consider many records from back when are incomplete.