Can guys with 25 losses or more be top 25 ATG's

[str8balln]

Yes

Example:

a fighter had a streak of 100 wins without losses winning multiple championships in multiple weight division.

and then on his 101st fight at age 40 he was beaten by an undefeated Challenger with a record of 30-0. He then continue to fight for 49 more fights winning 25 of them.

i think can i see your face....**** i cant wtf.

[JAB5239]

Yes

Example:

a fighter had a streak of 100 wins without losses winning multiple championships in multiple weight division.

and then on his 101st fight at age 40 he was beaten by an undefeated Challenger with a record of 30-0. He then continue to fight for 49 more fights winning 25 of them.

You also have to consider fighters like Langford who had to fight great fighters over and over because of the color of their skin. His resume has losses through out it, but it has huge wins also.

[-EX-]

Jab has been all over this ATG talk

As far as ATG lists I prefer ESPN's list...I don't like Ring Magazine's list and its older...

I haven't seen any others

[JAB5239]

]Jab has been all over this ATG talk[/B]

As far as ATG lists I prefer ESPN's list...I don't like Ring Magazine's list and its older...

I haven't seen any others

Lol, yeah I been on an ATG bender tonight!

[RightCross94]

and depending on what era or part of the world we are talking about, you may even have to question whether they were properly nourished. And of course even more circumstances like racial prejudice in the scoring, bad decisions etc


Records are so deceptive, JCC jr is 39-0, Holyfield is 42-10....whos the better fighter again?

[JAB5239]

From ESPN

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

[-EX-]

I think Foreman might be too high but I think the top 10 is pretty solid...

Someone else I talked to thought Sandy Saddler was too low...

[RightCross94]

SRR is up there with 19 losses...Why 19??? Because he fought until age 45, he would already have been suffering the early affects of pugilistic dementia when he retired.

Duran has 16....(fought until age 50, finishing his career fighting 60 lbs higher than what he started at)

Damn, even if Pacman went on a massive losing streak from now, and racked up 20+ losses, he's still an ATG in my book. Same with Evander, I don't care how many losses he ends up with, he's still great.

[JAB5239]

I think Foreman might be too high but I think the top 10 is pretty solid...

Someone else I talked to thought Sandy Saddler was too low...

I personally don't have any heavyweights in my p4p top 10.

Saddler is about right on this list in my opinion. I'd love to hear reasons why he should rank higher, as I may learn something new.

[miron_lang]

i think can i see your face....**** i cant wtf.

Yeah that's my face