A reminder to boxing of what it could be...

[IronDanHamza]

That's for you as a fan. To the guy who has benefitted from it the most like, Fury, it worked out perfectly for him. He can drop the belt and stick to fighting bums until he retires unbeaten and no one would care.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Floyd Mayweather had fought Vernon Forest, Shane Mosely (in his prime), Margarito, Cotto (before Margarito), and Paul Williams. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Mayweather, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks and made 100s of millions of dollars by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Joe Calzaghe had fought Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins in their primes. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Calzaghe, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

Only Ali jumped into every fight - look at how he ended. AJ and Whyte are the two new Ali who would end up getting damaged due to their promoter's greed. Boxers are humans and it's prize fighting. And if you can play it smart and scam the casuals - kudos to you. Boxing fans are too fickle in such a very dangerous sport for boxers to be taking unnecessary risks.

When was Floyd supposed to fight Vernon Forrest?

[Chaos]

Fury and Wilder have had three career defining fights against each other though, AJ has had none.

He’s the guy who’s missing out, Matchroom have failed him massively. Eddie Hearn simply cannot deliver the big fights outside of the UK.

AJ should go it alone, he doesn’t need a promoter, the guys a superstar. Control your own destiny.

AJ got off the mat to finish Wlad, Beyonce got whooped three times by Fury. I'd take AJ's defining moment over the Alabama fraud.

[YoungManRumble]

I think that Canelo vs Plant is going to really help catapult Boxing even more. I think Canelo vs Plant will really deliver and Canelo will score a great KO win.

Meh, what causals even care about Plant? The guy comes off as quite unlikeable and doesn't seem very marketable either. I don't want to sound like a monster but it almost seems like he tried to prop up his career with the tragic story of his daughter. It takes two good names to make a big fight, not just all the belts .

[Toffee]

Fury and Wilder have had three career defining fights against each other though, AJ has had none.

He’s the guy who’s missing out, Matchroom have failed him massively. Eddie Hearn simply cannot deliver the big fights outside of the UK.

AJ should go it alone, he doesn’t need a promoter, the guys a superstar. Control your own destiny.

I was trying to avoid the AJ v the rest kind of stuff.

But the Wilder v Fury trilogy isn't that exceptional. In reality it was a completely one sided contest from the first round of the first fight. There were a few moments for Wilder, but not a classic trilogy.

It's just better than what we're used to. Which points more to the current state of the sport than it does to the merit of this particular rivalry. And that's the point of this thread - boxing politics and strange ideas around 'marination' are causing us, fighters, and the sport to miss out on incredible events that define fighters and eras.

[BangEM]

there are guys like me who see aj's style vs usyk and think 'the fix was on' and that's after ive written essays on the aj-ruiz 1 fix.

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tottenham's owners had inside info and shorted stocks in 1989, becoming billionaires in the process. they're ***ish which means, every trick possible. (im not racist, they're smart as hell for playing the system how they do, they run the stock markets).
dazn and it's owner are heavily invest in sports betting. boxing was picked up when the US legalised sports betting nationally. it was about milking it all, boxing is easier to fix.
remember perform group seperated from dazn and merged with abigger company 2 weeks before the aj-ruiz fight.

then you get aj and eddie hearn dining with these type of people?
odds on usyk's UD win were 200+ ie double your money.
aj was hot fav to win that...so it was hugely beneficial for the betting industry for an usyk UD win.Most of the big betting companies are buying data from stats-perform via dazn...

my point is you dont see the hidden side either. promoters greed you say. don king fixed the tyson-douglas fight. bob fixed oscar-trinidad. multiple pacquaio fights were fixed (pac even took dives in the phillipines early on). Mike Tyson was robbed of his money and likewise oscar was screwed over and quit top rank before making real money. Floyd left to protect himself from that.
that black eye aj had before the ruiz fight, 'physio stuff' he called it....i do wonder if he was forced to throw the fight and it's why he walked out how he did vs ruiz. i mean aj may be tough but blavatnik is an oligarch.
The usyk one was very different,...aj looked spent and gutted..but his style was so unlike him that i wouldnt put it past them. Afterall when Aj-Fury in saudi fell through..and with news with the saudis buying newcastle united, it meant that $300m site fee was gone too.
So there's no reason for AJ to not eff around at this point. payback for Fury's side playing their games. AJ can sell the loss, take the criticism and enjoy his life like he does. he does not give a fk. see aj's response to the fury-wilder fight?

The part in bold is important because during the same week of the Ruiz fight, AJ employed former Navy SEALs and a psychologist (something he has NEVER done in his career) to help me for the fight. Why would he do that for a guy like Ruiz?

Eddie Hearn and Freddie Cunningham are also ***ish - so the ***ish connection makes sense. After the Fury vs Wilder 3 fight, AJ posted a picture of himself playing chess with Freddie Cunningham.

A week before the Usyk fight, he posted a picture of Chris Eubank Sr. with swollen right eye from a fight and funnily enough, AJ's right eye was swollen like Eubank Sr's eye in the Usyk fight. And the swollen eye disappeared when I saw him the next day.

Before the Ruiz fight, he got hit in his temple in an advert with a bag. And in the Ruiz fight, Ruiz hit him at the exact same spot in the temple hence he called it the punch from the gods.

Look at this pic below:

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The scene that led to this picture has a lot of old white men in suits and a few women in dresses - all looking smart in a mansion. AJ was the only odd one out dressed like that. How random would an AJ dressed like that be around rich old white men in suits and Cristiano Ronaldo if something fishy like an initiation isn't going on? He and CR7 look like gay partners in the pic.

That pic was taken in 2018, prior to AJ fighting Ruiz and after this picture, AJ switched up. And coincidentally that was when all the dodgy things started happening. The guy is part of the act and he sold his soul for money.

[BangEM]

When was Floyd supposed to fight Vernon Forrest?

You're a boxing novice.

[IronDanHamza]

You're a boxing novice.

Then educate me.

When was Mayweather supposed to fight Vernon Forrest?

[buddyr]

That's for you as a fan. To the guy who has benefitted from it the most like, Fury, it worked out perfectly for him. He can drop the belt and stick to fighting bums until he retires unbeaten and no one would care.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Floyd Mayweather had fought Vernon Forest, Shane Mosely (in his prime), Margarito, Cotto (before Margarito), and Paul Williams. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Mayweather, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks and made 100s of millions of dollars by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Joe Calzaghe had fought Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins in their primes. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Calzaghe, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

Only Ali jumped into every fight - look at how he ended. AJ and Whyte are the two new Ali who would end up getting damaged due to their promoter's greed. Boxers are humans and it's prize fighting. And if you can play it smart and scam the casuals - kudos to you. Boxing fans are too fickle in such a very dangerous sport for boxers to be taking unnecessary risks.

HOw could Calzagge have fought Roy and Hopkins in their prime? When Roy and Hopkins were both at their peak in 2001, after hopkins had just beat Tito and Roy was campaigning at 175, Calzaghe was at SMW with a worthless belt(no one recognized the WBO at the time and it wasn't even listed in boxing magazines other than IBD). Calzaghe didn't gain any fame until he beat Lacy in a fight he was the underdog. I picked Calzaghe to win because after seeing Lacy vs Sheika on showtime, I knew there was no way he'd beat Joe. He was horrible at infighting and I knew Joe would be on him not giving him any space and smothering his power. Even had he fought Roy in 2006, Roy was done by then. So they missed each other by 5 or 6 years and a lot can happen in that time.

[BangEM]

Then educate me.

When was Mayweather supposed to fight Vernon Forrest?

If Carlos Baldomir could move up to fight Forrest, after fighting Floyd what stopped Mayweather from doing the same since he fought De La Hoya?

[TMLT87]

Eddie Hearn and Freddie Cunningham are also ***ish

Hearn is ***ish?