A reminder to boxing of what it could be...

[Toffee]

I'm loving it. We got a great fight, boxing is all over the news, and people are talking about the fight.

That fight did so much for the sport.

But think about it. It wasn't even the biggest fight that boxing could make. One of the participants didn't even want the fight and battled to get out of it. It was a dead rubber.

The best fights have some history. They have someone looking for redemption. They show fallibility and weakness.

Don't forget what we missed out on to get this fight. We could have had an undisputed fight. In fact we could have had a few of them. Every rematch would have been bigger.

Joshua v Wilder would have been incredible. Joshua v Fury would have been unprecedentedly massive in the UK. They all could have fought each other by now, with defences to the likes of Usyk and Whyte thrown in.

How good could this sport be if it took that path? And why do the participants not get it? Losing isn't the problem they think it is - the rematches are bigger. The sport grows as a result. The rewards are massive.

[BangEM]

That's for you as a fan. To the guy who has benefitted from it the most like, Fury, it worked out perfectly for him. He can drop the belt and stick to fighting bums until he retires unbeaten and no one would care.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Floyd Mayweather had fought Vernon Forest, Shane Mosely (in his prime), Margarito, Cotto (before Margarito), and Paul Williams. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Mayweather, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks and made 100s of millions of dollars by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Joe Calzaghe had fought Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins in their primes. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Calzaghe, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

Only Ali jumped into every fight - look at how he ended. AJ and Whyte are the two new Ali who would end up getting damaged due to their promoter's greed. Boxers are humans and it's prize fighting. And if you can play it smart and scam the casuals - kudos to you. Boxing fans are too fickle in such a very dangerous sport for boxers to be taking unnecessary risks.

[Albanianboxing]

I think that Canelo vs Plant is going to really help catapult Boxing even more. I think Canelo vs Plant will really deliver and Canelo will score a great KO win.

[Toffee]

That's for you as a fan.

I won't quote your whole post as it's there to read.

I'm not suggesting all out wars every 2 months. I'm suggesting that the main rivals could have now all faced each other. They'd all be richer, they'd all be better regarded, and we'd be happier.

This era of the last 3 or 4 years is underrated. We've had lots of big heavyweight fights. Yet they were a level below the ones that could have been made.

We've all enjoyed the trilogy. Just imagine how big that would have been for all the belts, even if just briefly.

The heavyweights are fighting big fights. Why not fight the biggest fights?

And fans matter. They put the money in the fights. Promoters lost sight of that in exchange for a quick buck. They could have built a much a bigger following from having headline events.

[GrandpaBernard]

This fight is a good way to close out 2021

thank fury thank Deontay for shifting the focus back onto real boxing

no more clown world exhibition matches

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Yeah it’s a shame Joshua never fought either, he really missed out on what should have been career defining fights vs Wilder and then Fury. He should have a good look at the team around him and ask why he’s the guy on the outside looking in despite being a draw. Hearn has failed him, I suspect many more behind the scenes have to.

I don’t particularly rate AJ as a fighter, he’s not a bad fighter by any means and is one of the better HW’s out there but I don’t believe he has the tools to beat Fury or even Wilder tbh, but nevertheless, those fights should have been delivered for Joshua, I believe he wanted them but the team behind him evidently didn’t.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Only Ali jumped into every fight - look at how he ended. AJ and Whyte are the two new Ali.

Have you really just compared AJ and Dillian f***ing Whyte to Muhammad Ali.

Wow…

[Toffee]

Yeah it’s a shame Joshua never fought either, he really missed out on what should have been career defining fights vs Wilder and then Fury. He should have a good look at the team around him and ask why he’s the guy on the outside looking in despite being a draw. Hearn has failed him, I suspect many more behind the scenes have to.

I don’t particularly rate AJ as a fighter, he’s not a bad fighter by any means and is one of the better HW’s out there but I don’t believe he has the tools to beat Fury or even Wilder tbh, but nevertheless, those fights should have been delivered for Joshua, I believe he wanted them but the team behind him evidently didn’t.

Wilder, Fury and every boxing fan missed out on those fights just as much as Joshua did. I'll deliberately avoid the blame game for a second to acknowledge that.

For as much as we're on a bit of a high after that fight yesterday, it was a fairly pointless fight. Fury was a huge favourite to win again, and it didn't prove much. Instead we could have had some historically significant fights that had rivalry and credibility.

The era could have been immense. The whole 'weak era' argument is nonsense. We just watched two fighters arguably at their defensive worst, and they've gone up in estimation! It's about the fights you make.

[Inspired]

That's for you as a fan. To the guy who has benefitted from it the most like, Fury, it worked out perfectly for him. He can drop the belt and stick to fighting bums until he retires unbeaten and no one would care.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Floyd Mayweather had fought Vernon Forest, Shane Mosely (in his prime), Margarito, Cotto (before Margarito), and Paul Williams. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Mayweather, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks and made 100s of millions of dollars by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

A remainder to boxing of what it could be if Joe Calzaghe had fought Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins in their primes. To boxing fans, the fights would've been epic and we were cheated of great fights. But to Calzaghe, he kept his unbeaten record intact without taking unnecessary risks by playing it smart until he retired unbeaten.

Only Ali jumped into every fight - look at how he ended. AJ and Whyte are the two new Ali who would end up getting damaged due to their promoter's greed. Boxers are humans and it's prize fighting. And if you can play it smart and scam the casuals - kudos to you. Boxing fans are too fickle in such a very dangerous sport for boxers to be taking unnecessary risks.

there are guys like me who see aj's style vs usyk and think 'the fix was on' and that's after ive written essays on the aj-ruiz 1 fix.

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tottenham's owners had inside info and shorted stocks in 1989, becoming billionaires in the process. they're ***ish which means, every trick possible. (im not racist, they're smart as hell for playing the system how they do, they run the stock markets).
dazn and it's owner are heavily invest in sports betting. boxing was picked up when the US legalised sports betting nationally. it was about milking it all, boxing is easier to fix.
remember perform group seperated from dazn and merged with abigger company 2 weeks before the aj-ruiz fight.

then you get aj and eddie hearn dining with these type of people?
odds on usyk's UD win were 200+ ie double your money.
aj was hot fav to win that...so it was hugely beneficial for the betting industry for an usyk UD win.Most of the big betting companies are buying data from stats-perform via dazn...

my point is you dont see the hidden side either. promoters greed you say. don king fixed the tyson-douglas fight. bob fixed oscar-trinidad. multiple pacquaio fights were fixed (pac even took dives in the phillipines early on). Mike Tyson was robbed of his money and likewise oscar was screwed over and quit top rank before making real money. Floyd left to protect himself from that.
that black eye aj had before the ruiz fight, 'physio stuff' he called it....i do wonder if he was forced to throw the fight and it's why he walked out how he did vs ruiz. i mean aj may be tough but blavatnik is an oligarch.
The usyk one was very different,...aj looked spent and gutted..but his style was so unlike him that i wouldnt put it past them. Afterall when Aj-Fury in saudi fell through..and with news with the saudis buying newcastle united, it meant that $300m site fee was gone too.
So there's no reason for AJ to not eff around at this point. payback for Fury's side playing their games. AJ can sell the loss, take the criticism and enjoy his life like he does. he does not give a fk. see aj's response to the fury-wilder fight?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Wilder, Fury and every boxing fan missed out on those fights just as much as Joshua did. I'll deliberately avoid the blame game for a second to acknowledge that.

For as much as we're on a bit of a high after that fight yesterday, it was a fairly pointless fight. Fury was a huge favourite to win again, and it didn't prove much. Instead we could have had some historically significant fights that had rivalry and credibility.

The era could have been immense. The whole 'weak era' argument is nonsense. We just watched two fighters arguably at their defensive worst, and they've gone up in estimation! It's about the fights you make.

Fury and Wilder have had three career defining fights against each other though, AJ has had none.

He’s the guy who’s missing out, Matchroom have failed him massively. Eddie Hearn simply cannot deliver the big fights outside of the UK.

AJ should go it alone, he doesn’t need a promoter, the guys a superstar. Control your own destiny.