Was RJJ really as great as hes made out to be?(if Calzaghe beat him why does everyone make him sound unbeatable at smw?)

[Nash out]

Massively overrated. Fringe world level, but very exciting to watch. His one elite win was over James Toney, but Toney blew hot and cold and lost to several average fighters throughout his career, such as Lucas Browne. Calzaghe was well past his best when he beat Jones. Jones beat Hopkins when Bernard (a late bloomer) was still raw, prime Hopkins battered Jones in the rematch.

What people also conveniently forget is that before losing by DQ in round 9 (I think) Griffin was completely outboxing and outclassing prime Roy Jones. Griffins was hardly a world-beater, was he? Nash out - delivering the truth whether you want to hear it or not.

[kushking]

His wins over Bhop and Toney and Griffin **** on any Canelo/Calzaghe win imo. And I really like Canelo.

Segundo Mercado whooped prime Bhops ass & was robbed(he must be better than Canelo too?) Montell Griffin was not better than ggg/Kovalev/Lara. Toney was a overrated fatass

Ggg was a better win than Toney. You also have to take into consideration the intangibles,RJJ was a big ass mw/smw compared to Canelo,he STILL got sparked & lost wide decisions v fighters he had no business losing too like Tarver who was a journeyman ffs.

Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo & loses wide decisions vs multiple opponents & gets his ass whooped by Plant losing almost every round that'd be the same thing as Jones.

Canelo at the age of 30 already has accomplished more than RJJ(his best accomplishment was beating Ruiz at hw,but then he got ktfo by a journeyman)

[LeOoze]

Segundo Mercado whooped prime Bhops ass & was robbed(he must be better than Canelo too?) Montell Griffin was not better than ggg/Kovalev/Lara. Toney was a overrated fatass

Ggg was a better win than Toney. You also have to take into consideration the intangibles,RJJ was a big ass mw/smw compared to Canelo,he STILL got sparked & lost wide decisions v fighters he had no business losing too like Tarver who was a journeyman ffs.

Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo & loses wide decisions vs multiple opponents & gets his ass whooped by Plant losing almost every round that'd be the same thing as Jones.

Canelo at the age of 30 already has accomplished more than RJJ(his best accomplishment was beating Ruiz at hw,but then he got ktfo by a journeyman)

Mercado and Bhop was marked as a draw. If anything, most people thought Hopkins won the fight, and he dominated the rematch anyways.

GGG's best win is...who? I thought Canelo is 1-0-1 against GGG but GGG feasted on bums for years. Kovalev was shot when Canelo fought him. Lara is great but that was a very close fight. RJJ dominated Toney and Hopkins.

Toney was at least lineal middleweight champion at one point, GGG was never.

RJJ only started losing after he went back down from HW, and was 35. In his prime he was almost unbeatable.

[djtmal]

Calzaghe didn't beat him at SMW to start.

Secondly, Calzaghe beat him in 2008, a time when Roy Jones hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in 5 years and never did again.

So why would that hold any relevance?

For the same reason why your boy Floyd don't get much credit for fighting or beating a shopworn 38 year Shane Mosley who had been a year and a half out of the ring and couldn't beat anybody after you dweeb.

[Boxing-1013]

Mercado and Bhop was marked as a draw. If anything, most people thought Hopkins won the fight, and he dominated the rematch anyways.

GGG's best win is...who? I thought Canelo is 1-0-1 against GGG but GGG feasted on bums for years. Kovalev was shot when Canelo fought him. Lara is great but that was a very close fight. RJJ dominated Toney and Hopkins.

Toney was at least lineal middleweight champion at one point, GGG was never.

RJJ only started losing after he went back down from HW, and was 35. In his prime he was almost unbeatable.

You said a few OK things here, and then a ton of dumb stuff

[kushking]

Mercado and Bhop was marked as a draw. If anything, most people thought Hopkins won the fight, and he dominated the rematch anyways.

GGG's best win is...who? I thought Canelo is 1-0-1 against GGG but GGG feasted on bums for years. Kovalev was shot when Canelo fought him. Lara is great but that was a very close fight. RJJ dominated Toney and Hopkins.

Toney was at least lineal middleweight champion at one point, GGG was never.

RJJ only started losing after he went back down from HW, and was 35. In his prime he was almost unbeatable.

Bhop was kd twice by someone who would be todays equivalent to Angulo. Bhop was always chinny,he was even kd by calslappy. Ggg didn't win 7 rds v Canelo no matter how much ppl gift him the win the 1st fight.(a draw was legit & Canelo was still finding himself as a fighter,since then hes now in his prime & no longer worries whether he can take shots from bigger guys like ggg)

Canelo WAS lineal mw champ when he fought ggg though,so ggg not being lineal is meaningless. Canelo has fought in several fights that would be considered lineal(between#1 &#2) he only lost 1 to Floyd at days past aged 22.

You say he only started losing after going back down(something often pointed out by many) but in reality it holds no significance because before that RJJ had hardly beaten anyone of note & Bhop wasn't at his best yet when Jones beat him(he was barely known back then),he became better at older age,& whooped RJJ in rematch.

Canelo going up to lhw is the same thing as Jones going to HW for 1 fight.(so saying Kov was past it but giving RJJ credit for Ruiz is contradictory)

& Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo after going back down, would he be given same excuse (doubtful)

[IronDanHamza]

For the same reason why your boy Floyd don't get much credit for fighting or beating a shopworn 38 year Shane Mosley who had been a year and a half out of the ring and couldn't beat anybody after you dweeb.

Pay me what you owe me or don’t quote me.

[IronDanHamza]

They not world beaters are they? Compare his resume against boxers of his status, it just doesn’t stack up. He massively under achieved

They’re all top level fighters.

Virgil Hill is a HOF’er, all 3 of them should be IMO.

Griffin and Hill especially are very good wins

[Smash]

calzaghe had an easy night because jones what shot at that stage but calzaghes win over hopkins was legit good as hopkins was still somehow very effective at that stage and for years after amazingly

[sallyField]

Yes Roy is very over rated he never even fought Darius Michalzewski