Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua: Do I Need Tyson Fury On My Record? I Need It!

[Rodtang]

Those aren’t facts. Wilder’s team made an offer to AJ for example.

None of us have seen those offers, we don’t know the clauses, the figures, the details. It’s simply not worth talking about.

As I said, there’s a clear top three, two of them have fought, one hasn’t. That says it all.

Usyk has done nothing at HW yet, his best win is Dereck Chisora, a domestic level HW who’s like 1-5 in European title fights.

As for Whyte, he’s not skilled enough, not athletic enough and simply not good enough, he’s nowhere near the top guys. Not even in the conversation.

I'm not gonna debate Whyte as I'm not a big fan, but he can't be dismissed. Your dismissing Usyk on the fact that his best heavyweight win is Chisora? Not taking into account that he beat top quality fighters at cruiserweight? Like I said size is the only issue there. If you look at Uysk in terms of ability and accomplishment, he's actually better than the top 3. I'm actually glad AJ is fighting Usyk, because in boxing terms its the biggest fight. Wilder and Fury are only bigger in terms of fan bases. As for the offers ? Like I said it's easy to bury your head in the sand. One of those offers came from Dazn and was very real. The so called Wilder offer was on you tube and not backed up by his handlers, which makes it as real as little green men from Mars. That was Wilder having a Jake Paul moment. Stay safe pal and enjoy the forthcoming fights.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I'm not gonna debate Whyte as I'm not a big fan, but he can't be dismissed. Your dismissing Usyk on the fact that his best heavyweight win is Chisora? Not taking into account that he beat top quality fighters at cruiserweight? Like I said size is the only issue there. If you look at Uysk in terms of ability and accomplishment, he's actually better than the top 3. I'm actually glad AJ is fighting Usyk, because in boxing terms its the biggest fight. Wilder and Fury are only bigger in terms of fan bases. As for the offers ? Like I said it's easy to bury your head in the sand. One of those offers came from Dazn and was very real. The so called Wilder offer was on you tube and not backed up by his handlers, which makes it as real as little green men from Mars. That was Wilder having a Jake Paul moment. Stay safe pal and enjoy the forthcoming fights.

I’m dismissing Whyte, he’s simply not good enough.

Usyk can potentially be a good Heavyweight, but as of now what’s he proved at HW?

I’m sure both sides made legitimate offers, drafted contracts and all that other sh**, bottom line is AJ-Wilder didn’t happen. Same with Fury-AJ, they entered negotiations, bottom line the fight didn’t happen. Whilst Fury and Wilder have successfully negotiated three fights now. That tells me all I need to know about what the problem is. I believe the fighters want the fights but the teams behind them, not so much.

[Noelanthony]

Do you think he looked good against Fury though?

I thought Klitschko looked past it vs Fury never mind AJ.

He was a shell of the fighter he once was by the time he fought AJ.

He looked appalling vs Fury but that was down to Fury with his herky jerky style. There was things happening behind the scenes that led to KLITSCHKO taking his eye of the ball. However, that's not Fury's problem he won that fair and square. i do believe the rematch would have been harder for FURY but who knows.

In regards to energy wise and intent look at him in the FURY fight then look at him in the AJ fight he was very game. Sometimes when a champion gets beat who has reigned for 10 years it brings about a new hunger and motivation. KLITSCHKO was game for the AJ fight. He should have won it before AJ turned it on in the 11th round

[Toffee]

How does that make Joshua lineal when Wlad was unranked and hadn’t even won a fight in 2 years?

Sorry mate but that’s complete nonsense.

Wlad and Josh were ranked top 2 prior to their fight and top 2 immediately after their fight.

Lineal was vacant. Fury was retired/banned.

The top 2 fighters fought. Usually that would give a new lineal champion.

If TBRB hadn't taken the step of removing Klitschko just prior to the Joshua fight, then history would show Joshua as their lineal champion. They say they did it because they had info that Klitschko was turning down fights - yet after they removed him from the rankings at the end of November, the mooted fight with Joshua was announced in early December.

Who would you rank above Wlad or AJ as of April 2017?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

He looked appalling vs Fury but that was down to Fury with his herky jerky style. There was things happening behind the scenes that led to KLITSCHKO taking his eye of the ball. However, that's not Fury's problem he won that fair and square. i do believe the rematch would have been harder for FURY but who knows.

In regards to energy wise and intent look at him in the FURY fight then look at him in the AJ fight he was very game. Sometimes when a champion gets beat who has reigned for 10 years it brings about a new hunger and motivation. KLITSCHKO was game for the AJ fight. He should have won it before AJ turned it on in the 11th round

I thought he looked like an old fighter in both. Fury naturally has a very tough style for him, I do agree with that. I remember thinking he look old against Jennings prior to Fury tbh, that performance convinced me Fury would beat him.

I thought he lacked confidence and killer instinct against AJ, he only really began having success because AJ blew himself out too, I thought Wlad looked awful for those early rounds and then when he got hurt, it forced him into firing back and he managed to catch AJ and turn the fight upside down. I put that down more to AJ’s vulnerabilities rather than Wlad’s abilities in all honesty.

As I say I thought he was definitely past it when Fury beat him, I know the Sky stooges try and tell us the 18 months out the ring rejuvenated him but for me he was an old, inactive, basically semi retired fighter by the time AJ got to him.

[landotter]

So.... These two were basically hashing out rematch clauses a few months ago. The site and money split for the first fight was settled on. Wilder got a win in court (in retrospect, the correct decision though it blows for boxing) otherwise a set of back-to-back unification fights would be official. Joshua says he still wants the fight, and for some reason this has degraded into criticizing him??

Look, I am actually cheering for chaos. Think it would be hilarious if Wilder KO's Fury to even that series to 1-1-1 and my man Usyk schools Joshua for 10 of 12 rounds. But odds are the bigger Joshua will hurt Usyk and likely win, and Wilder will have to totally reinvent himself to win or Fury will have to totally forget that Wilder has a dangerous punch to lose. So when the dust settles, the HUGE money, all the chips in the middle of the table HW unification fight will be back in the news by mid 2022. Why in the name of Foreman's Grill would 2 aging HW's not do that if they were willing to just a hiccup in time ago?

What is everyone even worried about? These two need the legacy fight. It is still more likely to be settled in the ring than not.

[dan_cov]

I know he is probably just answering a reporter and while a good attitude to have he seems far too caught up in fighting Fury to me. Focus on Usyk, he is next and while your fans are sleeping on him you shouldn't be because you're going to have your hands full.

[Jkp]

Wheres the evidence that Wilder or for that matter Fury are actually top 3? who have they fought outside of each other that people currently rate as top HWs?

Ring magazine, every boxing journalist, wbc belt, lineal champion belts.... that's pretty good evidence.

Mean while AJ won all his belts from the fattest champ in history, who got even fatter because he forgot to train for the fight.

[TMLT87]

Ring magazine, every boxing journalist, wbc belt, lineal champion belts.... that's pretty good evidence.

Ring Magazine also bumped Fury up to iirc 6th or 7th right before the first Wilder fight, off the back of beating Seferi and going the distance with Pianeta.....

Since you're using Ring magazine rankings as an authority though, who has Fury fought in the current top 10 other than Wilder? who has Wilder fought in the top 10 other than Ortiz? who has Ortiz fought in the current top 10 other than Wilder?

How can you be proven as two of the top three HWs in the world when you are only fighting each other over and over for years? for all we know at this point Wilder is actually a bit of a bum who would lose to a bunch of other current HWs and is making Fury look much better than he actually is.

[Noelanthony]

I thought he looked like an old fighter in both. Fury naturally has a very tough style for him, I do agree with that. I remember thinking he look old against Jennings prior to Fury tbh, that performance convinced me Fury would beat him.

I thought he lacked confidence and killer instinct against AJ, he only really began having success because AJ blew himself out too, I thought Wlad looked awful for those early rounds and then when he got hurt, it forced him into firing back and he managed to catch AJ and turn the fight upside down. I put that down more to AJ’s vulnerabilities rather than Wlad’s abilities in all honesty.

As I say I thought he was definitely past it when Fury beat him, I know the Sky stooges try and tell us the 18 months out the ring rejuvenated him but for me he was an old, inactive, basically semi retired fighter by the time AJ got to him.

NO, true true i see your point