Why is Luis Ortiz still ranked top-10 HW by Ring Magazine?

[REDEEMER]

So who should be ranked over him?

Anyone active who’s defeated other top 20 guys or former title contenders there’s a bunch of them .

Who has Ortiz defeated in 6 years ?

[Earl-Hickey]

because the division is a wasteland.

No it isn't.

Fury
Aj
Wilder
Usyk
Hrgovic
Whyte
Parker
Joyce
Gassiev
Hunter
Yoka

I just rattled off a bunch of names in this current division who would do JUST FINE in the 90s heavyweight division where you had the likes of Herbie Hide as a champion, Tommy Morris on running away from a 40 year old George Foreman, Mike Tyson being beat half to death by an old blown up light heavyweight, crack addicts in the top 10, need I go on.

You people need to STOP with the "heavyweight division is dead" myth, the heavyweight division is full of talent, its just that hardly any of it is American.

[REDEEMER]

No it isn't.

Fury
Aj
Wilder
Usyk
Hrgovic
Whyte
Parker
Joyce
Gassiev
Hunter
Yoka

I just rattled off a bunch of names in this current division who would do JUST FINE in the 90s heavyweight division where you had the likes of Herbie Hide as a champion, Tommy Morris on running away from a 40 year old George Foreman, Mike Tyson being beat half to death by an old blown up light heavyweight, crack addicts in the top 10, need I go on.

You people need to STOP with the "heavyweight division is dead" myth, the heavyweight division is full of talent, its just that hardly any of it is American.

Wallin, Sirenko, Mahkmudov, Zhan Kassabutskyi , Conto , Anderson and DDD improved are also top talents .

These guys live in a bubble that say the era is weak and sound like they don’t even follow it , take note Silly Billy .

[billeau2]

Another Silly post Silly Billy , you are the guy that throws fits in the history section when one brings rational points that prove yours obsolete. You then make threads and can’t stop yourself from mentioning me in here but when I mention you act like a little girl ? Ha

This guy threw a fit when I suggested Golota may be to big for Frazier as he had never actually mowed any power puncher of size down where Golota was bigger then Foreman by a good margin as well ,he then follows posters who put up better arguments,this is silly Billy’s trademark on here no matter how easy he’s proven wrong on most everything. He’s like the stalker girlfriend he goes as far as making threads in other sections about posters he cannot cope with on here .

Could you write that first paragraph in English?

You try so hard... So hard to be accepted... Its sad. LET ME HELP YOU!! Please inform the rest of the posters here of the following: Silly Billy thinks Golota's size is not a factor regarding Frazier(?) (whatever this point is IMPOrRTANT!!!). So please ignore Billeau!!! and start to follow REDUMBER!!! Look, its in the law of averages... Renumber having been wrong every time IS BOUND to be right!!! any time now!!! And he needs your support so he can tell other posters how dumb they are!!!

Now look at the spiral and repeat: Redddumber is smart now. So give him love and acceptance so he does not shoot up his local post office... Shoulder Roll forced him into therapy and he needs your love!!!!

[billeau2]

No it isn't.

Fury
Aj
Wilder
Usyk
Hrgovic
Whyte
Parker
Joyce
Gassiev
Hunter
Yoka

I just rattled off a bunch of names in this current division who would do JUST FINE in the 90s heavyweight division where you had the likes of Herbie Hide as a champion, Tommy Morris on running away from a 40 year old George Foreman, Mike Tyson being beat half to death by an old blown up light heavyweight, crack addicts in the top 10, need I go on.

You people need to STOP with the "heavyweight division is dead" myth, the heavyweight division is full of talent, its just that hardly any of it is American.

Based on what proof? Some of them may... You have prospects on your list, who we don't know how they will do til they step up, not that long ago nobody would give any respect for Whyte, but now apparently he is the bees knees, based on what? defeating a downtrodden Russian? Fury Yes and maybe Wilder.

Joyce and Parker would probably do about as good as they are doing now.

[billeau2]

Jimmy Young was average fighter he gets a lot of credit for getting by a dumb Foreman who would knock him into next year if he had any boxing intelligent skills .

Really? Isn't the internet nice? One can say anything! Listen I don't know what you base your opinion on, it sure isn't having watched fights though...

[REDEEMER]

Could you write that first paragraph in English?

You try so hard... So hard to be accepted... Its sad. LET ME HELP YOU!! Please inform the rest of the posters here of the following: Silly Billy thinks Golota's size is not a factor regarding Frazier(?) (whatever this point is IMPOrRTANT!!!). So please ignore Billeau!!! and start to follow REDUMBER!!! Look, its in the law of averages... Renumber having been wrong every time IS BOUND to be right!!! any time now!!! And he needs your support so he can tell other posters how dumb they are!!!

Now look at the spiral and repeat: Redddumber is smart now. So give him love and acceptance so he does not shoot up his local post office... Shoulder Roll forced him into therapy and he needs your love!!!!

What ? Drinking to much and posting results in the above . Ha

[Stuart Chandler]

Really? Isn't the internet nice? One can say anything! Listen I don't know what you base your opinion on, it sure isn't having watched fights though...

Jimmy couldn’t punch for anything and held the big guys of excessive holding to steal rounds . He’s a watered down Spinks ,he gets splattered by today’s heavyweight guys . He wasn’t terrible but the guys he fought had no great background to have a great boxing brain .

[Raggamuffin]

Anyone active who’s defeated other top 20 guys or former title contenders there’s a bunch of them .

Who has Ortiz defeated in 6 years ?

You can look at his resume and see who he’s beaten. I want to see the resumes of the 10-20 guys that you have ranked higher than him.

[REDEEMER]

You can look at his resume and see who he’s beaten. I want to see the resumes of the 10-20 guys that you have ranked higher than him.

True guys like , Martz , Kaufman , Allen, Flores ,Hammer , Cojanu etc are top notch .Ortiz is the best of this era ,it would be impossible to find 10 guys over him currently with a better resume then that . Silly Billy logic .