Is manny the most skilled boxer today

[F l i c k e r]

so only 2 fighters that manny struggle with then... and those 2 names are pretty high up there... but your logic is flaw... every fighters has his match... pac's was marquez... that doesnt mean marquez is more skilled than manny.. going by your logic, floyd also had a hard time/struggle with some lesser opponents that likes to pressure (maidana).. does that mean chino has a better ring iq than floyd? DUMMY!

Why do you view that statement in that way?

What is your definition of ring IQ?

Because I can explain it but if you believe ring IQ to be something different than I, then we will likely always not agree.

Styles make fights however. Either way.

Just because a person struggles with a style doesn't make them lower in ring IQ. But what makes a great ring IQ is the ability to do many things to solve problems. Not just one thing really great.

This also doesn't equate greatness. Rocky Marciano is considered an ATG but not a soul that rates him that high would say he was the most skill boxer ever.

Greatness doesn't instantly equate top shelf skill. But Pacquiao isn't average skill either.

[HrNY]

not towards the end.... which is what this thread is about!!! khan's been on a losing streak so the phuck you's talkin bout brah?

where as pac is coming off a 3 winning streak... so no, it's not just speed and stamina.....

robbie is pathetic, but that right there you sound like a fuckin dumb ass idiot. you talk like that in your electrician gig(or whatever the f u said u were getting into)?

[joseph5620]

This is funny considering that you put Plant on your list


If you don't think Crawford is skilled you're showing your ignorance. He can fight from the right handed stance as well as he can left handed. That comes from skill. He's clearly up there in terms of skill.

[Left Hook Tua]

The technical word derives from the word Technique. That in itself is skill. Skills that got him where he is are his techniques that are unorthodox but are effective skills that made him great. If you can't see the difficulty in his techniques. Then you don't appreciate why it is, "technical."

There is different kinds of skills.

Technical skill is one of them.

The problem with you is you equate all skills as being technical skills.

Pac is off balance a lot, still is even though he's way better.

Pac doesn't know how to cut off the ring, never learned.

Those are just 2 examples of technical skills pacquiao is lacking.

Pac has great natural skills especially athleticism and speed as well as instinctual skills.

Problem with you is you think a lot of those natural skills and instinctual skills is technical skills. It's not.

Pac has great speed, reflexes, power, stamina, toughness, etc.

None of those are technical skills.

Pac is one of the most gifted fighters athletically but that doesn't mean he's the most technical.

Technical skills are overrated anyway.

A guy can be the most technical boxer but without natural skills, he won't be any good.

A guy can have no technique but his natural skills can get him pretty far if he's special enough.

[Left Hook Tua]

PAC is getting by with good skill but moreso experience. He never been a greatly skilled guy, why he always had problems with Marquez even though Manny became a better 147lber.

I think his footwork and angles are the most elite thing about him skill wise.

Marquez is just a bad match up.

Marquez style is made for guys like pac.

Pacs style leads to Marquez strength.

pretty much pac is rock and jmm is paper.

Testament to pacs greatness that rock is 2-1-1 vs paper.

[MONGOOSE66]

Today? Who knows. He was in danger in the second half of the Thurman fight. I'm not sure if he's the most skilled today, but off top (excluding canelo because you mentioned him)

Caleb Plant
Inoue
Spence

are 3 boxers I'd say are more skilled than Pac.

Loma, Crawford & Teo are honorable mentions.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Why do you view that statement in that way?

What is your definition of ring IQ?

Because I can explain it but if you believe ring IQ to be something different than I, then we will likely always not agree.

Styles make fights however. Either way.

Just because a person struggles with a style doesn't make them lower in ring IQ. But what makes a great ring IQ is the ability to do many things to solve problems. Not just one thing really great.

This also doesn't equate greatness. Rocky Marciano is considered an ATG but not a soul that rates him that high would say he was the most skill boxer ever.

Greatness doesn't instantly equate top shelf skill. But Pacquiao isn't average skill either.

you brought up 2 fighters that pac struggle with.. those 2 fighters style is perfect more manny and because of that, you claim they have a higher ring IQ... so going by your logic, floyd struggle with fighters like maidana and no, floyd didnt do anything to solve the problems but have the judges on his side for that fight so just stop it!!!

[blowblow]

Today? Who knows. He was in danger in the second half of the Thurman fight. I'm not sure if he's the most skilled today, but off top (excluding canelo because you mentioned him)

Caleb Plant
Inoue
Spence

are 3 boxers I'd say are more skilled than Pac.

spence will be removed from your list after aug.21.

[Spoon23]

There is different kinds of skills.

Technical skill is one of them.

The problem with you is you equate all skills as being technical skills.

Pac is off balance a lot, still is even though he's way better.

Pac doesn't know how to cut off the ring, never learned.

Those are just 2 examples of technical skills pacquiao is lacking.

Pac has great natural skills especially athleticism and speed as well as instinctual skills.

Problem with you is you think a lot of those natural skills and instinctual skills is technical skills. It's not.

Pac has great speed, reflexes, power, stamina, toughness, etc.

None of those are technical skills.

Pac is one of the most gifted fighters athletically but that doesn't mean he's the most technical.

Technical skills are overrated anyway.

A guy can be the most technical boxer but without natural skills, he won't be any good.

A guy can have no technique but his natural skills can get him pretty far if he's special enough.

Dude, skill is skill.

Counter punching is a skill, defense is a skill, multiple punch combos is a skill, fast hands is a skill, movement with footwork is a skill, feints is a skill, using angles is a technical skill, knowing when to position yourself to find the spot to strike is a skill.. Timing is a skill, Throwing bombs with speed and power with a straight left, right hooks, uppercuts is a skill, those are technical skills, generating speed and power is a technical skill that most boxer can only dream off achieving.

and what you said, reflex, stamina, toughness.. effective aggression.. That my friend is a making a great fighter. Pac has all of that in spades. So I don't get what your saying Pac has no technical skill. That is as technical as it gets.


Counter



effective agression



Timing






Moving in, countering..



Defense




and all the videos that I gave you requires technical timing to get the job done.

So I don't really know why you don't see Pac's game is very technical.

You are suppose to be a Pacfan. You should know what makes him great are gift mere mortals don't have. Those are in itself technical gifts.

[KillaMane26]

Marquez is just a bad match up.

Marquez style is made for guys like pac.

Pacs style leads to Marquez strength.

pretty much pac is rock and jmm is paper.

Testament to pacs greatness that rock is 2-1-1 vs paper.

Imo it shows good of a fighter he is, and how much both guys learned each other style.

PAC would have never survived their rivalry if he didn't evolve.

Hell Floyd wouldn't have been so cautious fighting him either if he was that same brawler.

Buy I feel making the bogus claim he the most skilled boxer takes away from what he amazingly did with limited skill compared to boxers like Marquez and Cotto