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  • JULESLUPOWITZ
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    #31
    Usyk can beat Wilder, easily. He’ll be cautious at first but once he settles he’ll start getting fancy and beat his ass. He’s much better schooled, faster & smarter.

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      #32
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn
      Given Usyk’s age and p4p status, wouldn’t it be a better win than 41 yr old wlad, coming off a loss to Fury, and thus be AJ’s best win?
      This was my thought too. Until somebody manages to beat Usyk it would be any current heavyweights best win. Fury and AJ beat a shop worn and older version of Vlad even though it was fantastic wins for both guys. Right now Usyk is THE name to have on your resume. I personally don't think Usyk beats Fury, AJ or Wilder but I've been wrong before.

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        #33
        Wilder is a dumpster fire of a boxer but AJ has a dog**** resume as well. Going life and death with grandpa Wlad after Wlad had just lost every round to Fury is as good as it gets for Joshua. His only semi-quality win was very nearly a ko loss. Don’t let where you live make you blind to the fact that neither guy has done anything of note.
        Last edited by Motofan; 07-23-2021, 01:37 PM.

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          #34
          Duh, he'll be Joshua's best win too and would Fury's best win outside of Wilder, or, if Wilder's all downhill from here Usyk could be Fury's best win too.

          Hell, Usyk might beat Joshua. I favor Josh a lot but that's not because I don't respect Usyk's CW work or because I put much stock into Usyk not looking great at HW. He hasn't looked great but he hasn't needed to either. I think Joshua will win because of Joshua's plan B vs Usyk's plan B. Usyk needs to have layers of boxing. It's a ****ing long shot thinking Usyk's gonna go the puncher's route. He needs to have all his plans be boxer's plan and all his adapting needs to be centered around scoring without being scored on. Joshua can get behind, try a few different boxing-first approaches and if those don't get him a head just go for broke with pressure and heavy combos not too terribly worried about being hit. Because in this scenario he's already behind he'd have nothing to lose. May as well check Usyk on the hit me I hit you back harder game, and, that one's really underrated in the first place and in the second place folks have underrated Joshua's heart and willingness to exchange since he fought Andy, but, Andy had something Usyk lacks; pounds.


          Anyway, point is there's plenty of reason to put Usyk up as the best contender in a long time, but his chances of being a HW champion are pretty slim all the same.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Marchegiano
            Duh, he'll be Joshua's best win too and would Fury's best win outside of Wilder, or, if Wilder's all downhill from here Usyk could be Fury's best win too.

            Hell, Usyk might beat Joshua. I favor Josh a lot but that's not because I don't respect Usyk's CW work or because I put much stock into Usyk not looking great at HW. He hasn't looked great but he hasn't needed to either. I think Joshua will win because of Joshua's plan B vs Usyk's plan B. Usyk needs to have layers of boxing. It's a ****ing long shot thinking Usyk's gonna go the puncher's route. He needs to have all his plans be boxer's plan and all his adapting needs to be centered around scoring without being scored on. Joshua can get behind, try a few different boxing-first approaches and if those don't get him a head just go for broke with pressure and heavy combos not too terribly worried about being hit. Because in this scenario he's already behind he'd have nothing to lose. May as well check Usyk on the hit me I hit you back harder game, and, that one's really underrated in the first place and in the second place folks have underrated Joshua's heart and willingness to exchange since he fought Andy, but, Andy had something Usyk lacks; pounds.


            Anyway, point is there's plenty of reason to put Usyk up as the best contender in a long time, but his chances of being a HW champion are pretty slim all the same.
            Usyk doesn’t have the style to beat AJ .

            Anyone who thinks Usyk is better or a more difficult fight then Klitschko fighting AJ in his 19th fight in a must win situation aren’t very bright people such as Silly Billy and yourself and even you have Usyk fights to look at since 2018 they can use to determine how difficult a win for Usyk will actually be against a guy capable of blasting southpaws into next year .
            Last edited by REDEEMER; 07-23-2021, 04:33 PM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by REDEEMER

              Klitschko retired because he lost and then months into it decided against a rematch but not liking his chances he still wanted Fury though but he left to , however had he defeated AJ he fights Wilder if no rematch was attached and knocks him out then you guys would have to sell something else . Ha

              The truth you guys won’t admit to is AJ defeated a very prepared Wlad , now you can lie as you guys usually do and say he hadn’t fought in nearly 2 years which isn’t the case but besides that he had 3 training camps and looked great . If your contesting Usyk is better than Klitschko that’s fine but your wrong as usual as well .
              You keep saying wlad was well prepared ,I'm sure most boxers are well prepared but that means nothing

              The credentials of the win are related to prime and wlad was declining before the fury fight he looked terrible against jennings and before that pulev was a punch bag

              Wlad was just declining 2014-2015 it happens

              Age reacts to everyone different and catches boxers at different times but the jennings fight for sure proved wlad was on the downhill he should have retired after watching that fight back

              Last edited by Stuntman Mike; 07-23-2021, 04:37 PM.

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                #37
                Usyk is top 5 hw. No sh.it he beats the most of guys on Fury`s, Joshua`s and Wilder`s resume.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

                  You keep saying wlad was well prepared ,I'm sure most boxers are well prepared but that means nothing

                  The credentials of the win are related to prime and wlad was declining before the fury fight he looked terrible against jennings
                  "prime" Wlad had far worse performances than Jennings, who he beat at least 10-2. Fury beat prime Wlad, in fact, 18 months later, Joshua also beat prime Wlad. What exactly had Wlad lost? He was as strong, as fast, and as durable as he ever had been. Tyson Fury is the greatest HW of all time. It's clear to those who know their boxing like Nash. Nash out is a boxing historian, a tough competitor, and helluva poster. Nash out.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Stuntman Mike

                    You keep saying wlad was well prepared ,I'm sure most boxers are well prepared but that means nothing

                    The credentials of the win are related to prime and wlad was declining before the fury fight he looked terrible against jennings
                    Well are you saying the 3 training camps along with bringing in his own brother was a hoax that we saw for months leading up to that fight ? Come on boxers not being prepared means nothing how so ?

                    He was instructed to box against Jennings not knock him out go watch some Ali Bashir interviews it’s one of the reasons he left the Klitschko camp because he kept getting over ruled .
                    Last edited by REDEEMER; 07-23-2021, 04:41 PM.

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                    • Marchegiano
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by REDEEMER

                      Usyk doesn’t have the style to beat AJ .

                      Anyone who thinks Usyk is better or a more difficult fight then Klitschko fighting AJ in his 19th fight in a must win situation aren’t very bright people and even have Usyk fights to look at since 2018 .
                      I agree with the first bit, Wlad though, the Fury fans are right on that one; y'all Joshua fans are bragging about leftovers.

                      Even Fury's win isn't that great considering at that time Wlad's own fans were hoping he'd retire soon because they didn't want to see him lose to someone he'd've beaten a few years prior. Especially since the Jennings fight. So I tend to agree with the but he was old crowd. It was called before it happened, folks said Wlad would lose soon then it happened, twice. There's more to that then either of y'all camps would like to admit.

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