Comments Thread For: Hearn: Fury-Wilder Sold No Tickets, It Would Have Did Very Poorly on PPV

[KingGilgamesh]

Very interesting numbers, but I’d argue that Whyte should never be PPV viewing in the first place. The fact that Hearn sold over 500k PPVs for Whyte on two occasions has to be one of the biggest promoting accomplishments in itself. The 200k buy rates that Whyte has been doing since then does sound poor, but still compares favourably to anything Fury has done with the exception of the 2nd Wilder fight. And didn’t that fight only do 400-450k buys anyway?

And that is absolute BS about Fury and Wilder taking over the public psyche - are you high?? Fury’s planned UK homecoming against Kabayel was cancelled because his management couldn’t secure funds, and the fact that there was no UK PPV announcement and terrible ticket sales for the third fight with Wilder tells you all you need to know.

The fact is in the UK, AJ is the only fighter that can captivate a paying audience. I’ve seen posters across the pond claiming that it’s easier to build stars in the UK in defence of boxing turning into a fringe sport over there, but the same truth holds here. Taylor, Campbell and other talented UK fighters have found that out, and tbh it’s a huge testament to Hearn that the likes of Whyte and Chisora were on PPV in the first place.

LOL Kabayel and Fury didn't work for, what now appears to be rather obvious, because Fury was tied up in the third Wilder fight. Joshua holds sway among the UK audience, but you need actual opponents in order to make it interesting. His matchup with Pulev drew his lowest numbers to date. And yes, Fury and Wilder are the heavyweights everyone is talking about. There are often 3-5 consecutive Wilder/Fury threads on the first page here everyday. Constant nonsense on Youtube involving their antics as well. In the UK Joshua still is the number one but the UK is still knee deep in a recession and just literally returning to anything resembling full capacity venues. Canelo was filling out arenas two months ago. Trying to pie this off as some kind of testament that this fight is postponed because of poor sales just strikes me as...silly. Especially considering initial sales for Wilder Fury 2 were poor as well. Wilder/Fury 2 did 1.2m buys in the US alone...

https://www.***************.net/2020...r-2-uk-ppv-bt/

It may not end up being a megahit but you're ****ing delusional if you think Wilder and Fury are not considered the de facto heavyweights in the US.

[Blackstarr]

I despise Feary and Whyte, but your numbers are misleading. First of all the second fight with Wilder did between 800-850K at 80$ a pop. That's well over 2 million buys in the UK. If Whyte's claim to fame is 500K UK buys, that's equal to what less than 200K US buys? If he does 200K UK buys, that's what 80K US ppv buys? Those are atrocious numbers.

850k US buys is well over 2 million buys in the UK? I’m sorry man but wtf are you talking about? Did you even factor in the fact that the UK population is less than a fifth that of the US?

Anyway, Whyte’s and Fury’s fights are shown on PPV in the UK, and I’m talking about HARD numbers that both fighters generated in the UK on their respective TV platforms, not hypothetical ones you’ve pulled out of nowhere based on no logic whatsoever. The article the OP shared was analysing UK PPVs, and the 450k number I referenced was the Fury-Wilder buy rate in the UK, and not the US. How Fury’s fights have done in the US is completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

[KingGilgamesh]

Lmao...you do know AJ made more money in his rematch with that "fat underdog" than what Wilder and Fury combined made in thier rematch right?! Shiet,probably more than both thier fights.

AJ's the cashcow of the division and isn't waiting on those 2 clowns for a payday,he's waiting on fury to take out the trash again so he can try and become undisputed. Unfortunately your king had to try and save face by exercising his rematch for what we already know is going be another mollywhopping!

I don't actually believe this is true either. My issue with the UK is that boxing here doesn't have anything resembling the Nevada State Athletic commission so you really just have to believe whatever Eddie Hearn tells you. Its not that Joshua isn't a very, very wealthy man but then reports came out of Wilde earning $36m and I kinda wondered, considering how Wilder has zero lucrative endorsement deals how is he earning such an amount which is pretty much in the range of what Joshua bumlickers claim he makes...

Also, to continue being a cash cow you need to have a consistent antagonists gallery to make your fights compelling. Ruiz, whilst still decent, hasn't gone onto do much and none of Joshua's previous opponents have either. I feel momentum is leaving him, guys like Wilder and Fury have built enough of a following to demand their own horse**** and, outside of Usyk, none of the other heavyweights bar maybe Dubois, Joyce, Ajagba, and maybe Hrgovic seem particularly interesting or possessing any kind of star potential. Outside of Fury and Wilder, the division is devoid of drama and/or intrigue.

[Jab jab boom]

Lmao...you do know AJ made more money in his rematch with that "fat underdog" than what Wilder and Fury combined made in thier rematch right?! Shiet,probably more than both thier fights.

AJ's the cashcow of the division and isn't waiting on those 2 clowns for a payday,he's waiting on fury to take out the trash again so he can try and become undisputed. Unfortunately your king had to try and save face by exercising his rematch for what we already know is going be another mollywhopping!

I have no boxer that I worship unlike you, who’s clearly an Aj groupie. I don’t care who wins any of these match ups as long as they happen and regardless of payouts (and the payout that Joshua made for Ruiz pales in comparison to the money that would be Generated from him facing the winner of wilder vs fury, so that would be the cash out i referenced), Joshua has been on the outside looking in for the past 3 years. Fury and wilder facing each other three times surpasses anything on Joshuas resume which is why he is less regarded than fury despite the fact that he has more belts. If I were an emotionally invested groupie such as yourself, I’d be more worried about Usyk because there’s a good chance Joshua can lose that match. Especially since we have seen his lack of heart when under duress. #Nomas

[KingGilgamesh]

850k US buys is well over 2 million buys in the UK? I’m sorry man but wtf are you talking about? Did you even factor in the fact that the UK population is less than a fifth that of the US?

Dude, use your brain. He means in terms of revenue. US PPVs are $70-80 a pop. Sometimes as high as $100. UK's PPVs are $30 a pop, if that.

Anyway, Whyte’s and Fury’s fights are shown on PPV in the UK, and I’m talking about HARD numbers that both fighters generated in the UK on their respective TV platforms, not hypothetical ones you’ve pulled out of nowhere based on no logic whatsoever. The article the OP shared was analysing UK PPVs, and the 450k number I referenced was the Fury-Wilder buy rate in the UK, and not the US. How Fury’s fights have done in the US is completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

I literally just quoted a source. What are you talking about? Also, you seem to be forgetting that its 450k in the UK alone. Joshua doesn't trend or sell in the US at all. And, even then, his fights are on an app. Wilder and Fury are bigger global names than Joshua is at this point. That much is obvious. The world doesn't reside in the UK and believe me when I tell you that Hearn would sell his mother if he could get a chance to sniff that glorious US PPV revenue that Arum and Haymon enjoy.

[Jack_sh*t]

Meh... Fury outboxed Wilder in the 1st fight after losing 140lbs in a year and being 3 years out of the ring. The judges had to bail Wilder out. Then Fury battered him like a red-headed step child in the 2nd fight. Fury has Wilder's number and only fanbois think otherwise. You can't tease fans with Fury v AJ for undisputed and then expect them to buy this foregone conclusion.

[FLY TY]

850k US buys is well over 2 million buys in the UK? I’m sorry man but wtf are you talking about? Did you even factor in the fact that the UK population is less than a fifth that of the US?

Anyway, Whyte’s and Fury’s fights are shown on PPV in the UK, and I’m talking about HARD numbers that both fighters generated in the UK on their respective TV platforms, not hypothetical ones you’ve pulled out of nowhere based on no logic whatsoever. The article the OP shared was analysing UK PPVs, and the 450k number I referenced was the Fury-Wilder buy rate in the UK, and not the US. How Fury’s fights have done in the US is completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

In terms of money generated. A US PPV of 800-850K is equal to what a UK buy rate of over 2 million buys.

[Blackstarr]

LOL Kabayel and Fury didn't work for, what now appears to be rather obvious, because Fury was tied up in the third Wilder fight. Joshua holds sway among the UK audience, but you need actual opponents in order to make it interesting. His matchup with Pulev drew his lowest numbers to date. And yes, Fury and Wilder are the heavyweights everyone is talking about. There are often 3-5 consecutive Wilder/Fury threads on the first page here everyday. Constant nonsense on Youtube involving their antics as well. In the UK Joshua still is the number one but the UK is still knee deep in a recession and just literally returning to anything resembling full capacity venues. Canelo was filling out arenas two months ago. Trying to pie this off as some kind of testament that this fight is postponed because of poor sales just strikes me as...silly. Especially considering initial sales for Wilder Fury 2 were poor as well. Wilder/Fury 2 did 1.2m buys in the US alone...

https://www.***************.net/2020...r-2-uk-ppv-bt/

It may not end up being a megahit but you're ****ing delusional if you think Wilder and Fury are not considered the de facto heavyweights in the US.

Fury-Kabayel didn’t work because of money and nothing else - this was way before the US judge made a binding ruling, so there’s that.

And look, I can’t speak to the US market but I made it very clear in my post that I was talking about the pull AJ, Whyte, Fury and co have in the UK alone, all of whom are British fighters. The only point I was making is that Whyte’s PPV numbers in the UK aren’t terrible when you put them into context, and are no worse than what Fury has managed himself, in the UK specifically. And I referenced the fact that the third fight didn’t even have a UK broadcaster signed up an announcing the fight to back this up.

To even suggest using boxingscene pages as an indicator of a fighter’s popularity or in fact anything is just ridiculous. And Wilder and Fury are the de facto heavyweights in the US by whom and on what basis? Fury and AJ are the recognised top-two fighters by any reputable US publication, and Wilder was beaten half to death in his last fight, so how can he be seen as the de facto HW? Make this make sense.

[Blackstarr]

In terms of money generated. A US PPV of 800-850K is equal to what a UK buy rate of over 2 million buys.

But who’s talking about money generated? The whole argument is about the number of PPV buys in the UK specifically - where do US numbers come into this? Whyte didn’t even fight in the US and not against the biggest HW there so this wouldn’t even make sense.

[MrFistz]

Eddie hearn runs the same play more then lumbardi ran the power sweep