For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[TMLT87]

Oh yeah,Ufc doesn't"have the best fighting the best" I have thoroughly debunked that. Itd be like this scenario exactly: imagine if Gilberto Ramirez got the only title at 175 because he was signed to the sole promoter of all of boxing over guys like Beterbieve & Bivol due to being more marketable,then when he fights guys like Jesse Hart for his trinket, fans start saying how much they love boxing "Because of 1 belt & the best fighting the best",

thats the exact same thing ufc fans do when they claim bums like Cowboy Cerrone,Conner Mcgimper,Nate Diaz,& a bunch of other phony "#1 vs #2" bums are the best fighting the best, just because ufc only has a few fighters in each weightclass who are all C levels.

Ufc is the equivalent of if Pbc created its own belt & matched up all its own in house journeyman while proclaiming them the best despite them not having to go through anything a boxer has to prove they're world level,boxers have to win minor belts & eliminators for years & years,& Ufc fighters barely fight sporadically,have the shortest careers at elite level on avg of any combat sport,& they barely have to prove their the best if they check the right demo boxes.

You do realize there are a bunch of independent rankings right? Fightmatrix, Tapology, Sherdog etc, they dont deviate all that much from the UFCs own rankings. The only division you could argue is stronger outside of the UFC right now is 205. You're desperately reaching again and coming up with convoluted **** to try and dismiss an obvious truth lol. The UFC gets **** done, boxing teases and talks.

As I stated,I have no problem with Ufc(other than that the entire sport slanders boxing to promote itself as do fans)

No it doesnt, the tables have turned and its boxing fans that get insecure and salty over MMA now much more than vice versa. It already started shifting in the late 00s when you had Arum and Floyd crying over MMA as it gained momentum. I cant remember what fight it was now but around 07ish someone like Kellerman or Lampley in the post fight wrap up said something like "the UFC may be getting popular, and it may be entertaining, but you wont see the level of skill that we witnessed in the ring tonight". It was pretty telling because 5 years earlier no boxing broadcast was gonna be acknowledging MMA at all.

boxing has hundreds of shows a yr where every divisions champions headline their own card.

If you look at scheduled events globally for both sports Boxrec has 111 cards listed for the rest of July and Sherdog shows 97 for MMA. Quite a few of these none UFC MMA promotions are bigger than all but the biggest boxing promotions too. Especially if we are comparing promotions based outside of the US.

My pt was boxing will continue to have mega fights with the most revenue,as well as moderately successful ppvs,while Ufc makes most its money off few ppvs of its biggest stars & by paying fighters poorly,theres no way Ufc ever truly becomes like boxing where boxing has dozens of fighters earning millions & subsidizing lesser draws on undercards.

Yeah, you're underselling things. The UFC has had 8 ppvs so far this year and the lowest drawing one did better numbers than 6 of the last 10 none freakshow boxing PPVs stretching back to early 2019. And when you talk about mega fights, most huge fights in the post Floyd/Pac era happened in the UFC, not boxing.

[buddyr]

I don't think it's much of the "UFC taking over Boxing" more so than some Boxing fans just being naïve to the UFC's overall popularity right now. When "BIG" Boxing matches are made the casual public will still show up (as they assumingly will for Pacquiao and Spence). The UFC in itself IS a brand / entity that the casual public has a very easy time following. With Boxing (especially today) being so fragmented between Networks / Promoters / & Secondary Titlists being promoted as "World Champions" along with the top fights more times than not being made how can anyone think Boxing is in this "healthy place"? The argument most Boxing fans use as a crutch when the debate is made between MMA & Boxing almost always comes down to fighter pay outs. But for someone who's a fan of both MMA & Boxing, what does the fighter pay out matter in relation to the overall product?

Here are the UFC's last 5 PPVs:

UFC 260 (Miocic vs NGannou 2) - 350K Buys
UFC 261 (Usman v Masdival 2) - 700K Buys
UFC 262 - 300K Buys
UFC 263 (Adesanya vs Vettori) - 500K Buys
UFC 264 - (McGregor v Porier 2) - in the range of 1.2 Mill buys currently

Boxing's last 5 PPVs:

Wilder v Fury 2 - 850K buys
Tank vs Leo Santa Cruz - 200K buys
Tank vs Barrios - 210K Buys
Spence vs Danny Garcia - 250K buys
Canelo v BJS "reportedly" had 400K new Subs to DAZN

So if you're a casual observer looking at these numbers one would assume the UFC isn't doing bad AT ALL.

I've ALWAYS had the attitude that you CAN watch both individually without ****ting on the other product.

those are not boxing's last 5 ppvs :lol. 3 of those fights are from last year. There have been more than 2 ppv events this year..

[TMLT87]

Estimated 1.8m PPV buys for that Conor fight just now. Another example of UFC totally not taking over.....

[kushking]

Estimated 1.8m PPV buys for that Conor fight just now. Another example of UFC totally not taking over.....

So because 1 single fighter whos a bum with all of Ireland watching his fights,that equates to ufc taking over? That exposes how dependant ufc is on that 1 bum & those numbers are bs anyways

[TMLT87]

So because 1 single fighter whos a bum with all of Ireland watching his fights,that equates to ufc taking over? That exposes how dependant ufc is on that 1 bum & those numbers are bs anyways

Since 2020 without Conors 3 PPVs included:

Usman/Mas 1 - 1.3m buys
Fury/Wilder 2 - 1.2m
Usman/Mas 2 - 700k
Adesanya/Jan - 800k
Adesanya/Costa - 700k
Ferg/Gaethje - 700k
Khabib/Gaethje - 675k
Adesanya/Vettori - 600k
Stipe/DC 3 - 500k
Oliveira/Chandler - 300k
Spence/Garcia - 250k
Tank/LSC - 225k
Tank/Barrios - 200k
Arreola/Ruiz - 125k
Charlo/Derevyanchenko - 120k

Thats not even all the UFCs over that time as theres the 3 Conor fights plus a few more PPVs that didnt have confirmed numbers.

You make it so easy.

[kushking]

Since 2020 without Conors 3 PPVs included:

Usman/Mas 1 - 1.3m buys
Fury/Wilder 2 - 1.2m
Usman/Mas 2 - 700k
Adesanya/Jan - 800k
Adesanya/Costa - 700k
Ferg/Gaethje - 700k
Khabib/Gaethje - 675k
Adesanya/Vettori - 600k
Stipe/DC 3 - 500k
Oliveira/Chandler - 300k
Spence/Garcia - 250k
Tank/LSC - 225k
Tank/Barrios - 200k
Arreola/Ruiz - 125k
Charlo/Derevyanchenko - 120k

Thats not even all the UFCs over that time as theres the 3 Conor fights plus a few more PPVs that didnt have confirmed numbers.

You make it so easy.

So you arbitrarily choose last yr as when to start counting ppv fights(to fit your agenda) despite covid & because Ufc is more akin to a small nba type league,they were able to create a bubble & have all their top draws fighting,whereas the exact opposite has happened in boxing since covid including top fighters catching covid.

And of course you discount that the top drawing boxers fight on Dazn

You keep reaching though

[TMLT87]

So you arbitrarily choose last yr as when to start counting ppv fights(to fit your agenda) despite covid & because Ufc is more akin to a small nba type league,they were able to create a bubble & have all their top draws fighting,whereas the exact opposite has happened in boxing since covid including top fighters catching covid.

And of course you discount that the top drawing boxers fight on Dazn

You keep reaching though

Top 20 highest drawing none freakshow PPV fights in the US after Floyd/Pac (May 2015) and before 2020.

Conor/Khabib - 2.4m
Conor/Diaz 2 - 1.6m
Conor/Diaz 1 - 1.3m
Conor/Alvarez - 1.3m
Canelo/GGG 1- 1.3m
Conor/Aldo - 1.2m
Canelo/GGG 2 - 1.1m
Ronda/Holm - 1.1m
Ronda/Nunes - 1.1m
UFC 200 - 1m
Canelo/Chavez jr - 1m
Canelo/Cotto - 900k
Ronda/Correia - 900k
GSP/Bisping - 875k
Jones/DC 2 - 860k
Conor/Mendes - 825k
Jones/Gus 2 - 700k
Canelo/Khan - 600k
Pac/Thurman - 500k
Stipe/Reem - 475k

Over that time frame there were 21 US domestic boxing PPVs and 55 UFC PPVs.


You are in total denial.

[Ry92]

Gotta remember people want realistic action whos an actual better fighter ect we love ko tap outs ect when u 8 weapons plus take downs makes it more realistic to combat n streetfights so we want to see ko. Mma overtook boxing in americas cant blame em boxing has no1 but canelo then youtubers. Promoters do very shhh job promoting there fighters fighters now days ryan garcia canelo fury better of promoting self than dealing with promoters. Boxing is stagnant in america for 1 boxers be bsn on fighting eachother/ making big fights. Literally only be 1 fight a year worth shelling 80 dollars for other than that mmm with lack of depth on card no thanks. Truthfully this english speaking shhh talking action packed canelo thank u ggg. Is what boxing in the usa canada needs im order to be relevant again for mmm f... All these youtubers it shows the state of the game. Also mma ia real wwe fake ochestrated n rehearst . boxing does samw gimmicks money mayweather tyson fury all promo cuts from wwf dwayne johnson days

[HellcatUppercut]

This thread is hilarious seeing now that UFC 279 numbers are NOT looking so good. Seems like Tank Davis is a bigger draw which is crazy because Tank isn’t even that big.