For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[kushking]

UFC despite having a monopoly on mma,& despite having a much lower overhead,is actually nothing more than WwE 2.0,same fanbase,same exact ppv numbers,same recruiting strategy.. etc. Etc.(except WWE paid them way better)

I can PROVE that ufc is nothing but a migration from WWE once it tanked. Even their biggest stars are the same exact types WWE used to recruit. Bums like Sage Northcutt, Mcgimper,Rousey etc. Were chosen for demographic reasons strictly,& just like wwe,the fans buy into the overall show rather than because of the fighters actually being the best. Theres a reason a juiced up bum Brock Lesner was allowed to fight juiced & won UFC,as well as bums like CM punk.(2 ex wwe wrestler bums)

Is a much bigger farce than WWE ever was,& yet if you listen to everyone on this site you'd believe they took over boxings market share or fanbase,or anything,when in reality all that happened was the same fanbase from wrestling migrated to the NEW wrestling UFC. A "sport" where just as in WWE a guys mouth is as good as his skillset.


So prove me wrong,nows your chance to defend this joke sport mma fans. Speak up or forever hold your peace.

[Bogadile]

I dont think it'll take over boxing, but seems to me more people are into MMA than boxing today. Especially the new generation.

I like MMA until they go to the ground, thats when I lose interest. The stand up is great

[kushking]

I dont think it'll take over boxing, but seems to me more people are into MMA than boxing today. Especially the new generation.

I like MMA until they go to the ground, thats when I lose interest. The stand up is great

Boxing has stagnated,no doubt,but my point is that its not due to UFC. Its due to boxers not making big fights as often & illegal streaming partly.

[buddyr]

UFC isn't taking over boxing. This will never happen. UFC is its own sport. The UFC just gives their fans(and I am one of them along with a boxing fan) something boxing hasn't in damn near 5 decades. 1 belt per weight class, limited weight classes, and the best fighting the best without the twitter/promoter bs. That's it. A #5 and #6 regularly fight each other. The champion regularly fights the #1 guy in the division at least 2 or 3 times a year. None of this 8 belts per weight class(in any of the MMA federations), no 17 weight classes split by 3-7 pounds in the first 15 and no cherry picking. Why do so called boxing fans oppose their favorite fighters fighting top competition? I don't understand it.

[fighter1234]

The advantages that the UFC has over boxing are:

1) Monopoly where everyone is under the same promoter so big fights are able to happen more often

2) Their overall promotion (Promos, documentaries, production level) craps all over boxing’s. This allows the fans be invested in fighters more and so buy their ppvs

3) This one might be controversial but I feel like UFC fighters in general are just smarter than boxers and are able to communicate more effectively to the fans. This most likely has to do with most of them having gone to college for wrestling, football, etc. Guys like Fury exist in boxing but they are an anomaly where it seems in UFC every second guy is a good trash talker.

[Bogadile]

Boxing has stagnated,no doubt,but my point is that its not due to UFC. Its due to boxers not making big fights as often & illegal streaming partly.

100% true.

The monopoly allows UFC to put the best fights.

If it was boxing, we'd never get Khabib vs Mcgregor.

When will Crawford and Spence fight? both of those cowards shouldnt be getting paid a dime.

[TMLT87]

Even their biggest stars are the same exact types WWE used to recruit. Bums like Sage Northcutt, Mcgimper,Rousey etc. Were chosen for demographic reasons strictly,& just like wwe,the fans buy into the overall show rather than because of the fighters actually being the best.

And there I was thinking Conor became a star because he was a charismatic trash talker who knocked out an undefeated for 10 years, on the road to GOAT discussion at the time Jose Aldo in 13 seconds in spectacular fashion. Conor has more big wins than most top boxers today and is less protected too even though hes a much bigger star.

Ronda already had some star power at the time she entered the UFC as she was an olympic medallist and had been gaining popularity in Strikeforce by dominating everyone she faced usually stopping them inside a minute.

Sage Northcutt is just a guy you have a weird obsession with. Was never a star, never fought on a PPV, was a prelim card bum.

What demographic reasons were these (very carefully selected, by you) fighters supposed to be chosen for exactly?

Theres a reason a juiced up bum Brock Lesner was allowed to fight juiced & won UFC,as well as bums like CM punk.(2 ex wwe wrestler bums)

Brock Lesnar was a 106-5 division 1 national HW wrestling champion before he went to the WWE, he was also a freak athlete and even now at 43 would take Fury, AJ and Wilder down and punch their heads through the canvas one after the other in maybe 5 mins of combined fight time.

CM Punk was just a novelty act, but unlike boxings current situation this novelty act wasnt main eventing the biggest PPVs of the year.

Did you forget that one of the biggest stars in boxing today is this goof?

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A guy who has a massive fanbase calling him an ATG when his list of top 5 career opponents includes monsters like Otto Wallin, Christian Hammer and Del Boy lol. And him fighting Wilder, ie a guy who the 2nd best opponent he beat was like Stiverne or Breazele, is one of the biggest fights in boxing. So legit huh.

Is a much bigger farce than WWE ever was,& yet if you listen to everyone on this site you'd believe they took over boxings market share or fanbase,or anything,when in reality all that happened was the same fanbase from wrestling migrated to the NEW wrestling UFC. A "sport" where just as in WWE a guys mouth is as good as his skillset.

Some of those MNWs/Attitude Era wrestling fans did indeed move on to MMA as they got older, and obviously Brock brought eyes to it as well. But if you dont think MMA has cut into boxings potential fanbase you're deluding yourself. Boxing was essentially the only game in town combat sports wise until the mid 00s, everything else was niche. Now if you're a potential new combat sports fan you're more likely to get into MMA.

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Any boxing numbers outside of the last 15 years are irrelevant because thats the time frame where the UFC actually started blowing up and the two were in proper competition with each other. Boxing on PPV aint **** since the Floyd/Pac era ended, even then it wasnt **** unless one of those two were involved. This year the UFC is at roughly 5 million total buys in the first half of the year and their first PPV of the 2nd half if probably going to do close to 2 million buys by itself, meanwhile boxing PPVs consist of Jake Paul vs MMA fighters. Its just a totally different level.

So prove me wrong,nows your chance to defend this joke sport mma fans. Speak up or forever hold your peace.

Can you explain why its a joke sport? I mean, its obviously much more entertaining, its better run, they are better fighters than boxers, its more dynamic with a wider range of skills, theres less ducking, diving, record padding and corruption, the belts mean more, and their biggest fights dont consist of kids from Youtube and exhibition matches.

[kushking]

And there I was thinking Conor became a star because he was a charismatic trash talker who knocked out an undefeated for 10 years, on the road to GOAT discussion at the time Jose Aldo in 13 seconds in spectacular fashion. Conor has more big wins than most top boxers today and is less protected too even though hes a much bigger star.

Ronda already had some star power at the time she entered the UFC as she was an olympic medallist and had been gaining popularity in Strikeforce by dominating everyone she faced usually stopping them inside a minute.

Sage Northcutt is just a guy you have a weird obsession with. Was never a star, never fought on a PPV, was a prelim card bum.

What demographic reasons were these (very carefully selected, by you) fighters supposed to be chosen for exactly?




Brock Lesnar was a 106-5 division 1 national HW wrestling champion before he went to the WWE, he was also a freak athlete and even now at 43 would take Fury, AJ and Wilder down and punch their heads through the canvas one after the other in maybe 5 mins of combined fight time.

CM Punk was just a novelty act, but unlike boxings current situation this novelty act wasnt main eventing the biggest PPVs of the year.

Did you forget that one of the biggest stars in boxing today is this goof?

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A guy who has a massive fanbase calling him an ATG when his list of top 5 career opponents includes monsters like Otto Wallin, Christian Hammer and Del Boy lol. And him fighting Wilder, ie a guy who the 2nd best opponent he beat was like Stiverne or Breazele, is one of the biggest fights in boxing. So legit huh.



Some of those MNWs/Attitude Era wrestling fans did indeed move on to MMA as they got older, and obviously Brock brought eyes to it as well. But if you dont think MMA has cut into boxings potential fanbase you're deluding yourself. Boxing was essentially the only game in town combat sports wise until the mid 00s, everything else was niche. Now if you're a potential new combat sports fan you're more likely to get into MMA.



Any boxing numbers outside of the last 15 years are irrelevant because thats the time frame where the UFC actually started blowing up and the two were in proper competition with each other. Boxing on PPV aint **** since the Floyd/Pac era ended, even then it wasnt **** unless one of those two were involved. This year the UFC is at roughly 5 million total buys in the first half of the year and their first PPV of the 2nd half if probably going to do close to 2 million buys by itself, meanwhile boxing PPVs consist of Jake Paul vs MMA fighters. Its just a totally different level.



Can you explain why its a joke sport? I mean, its obviously much more entertaining, its better run, they are better fighters than boxers, its more dynamic with a wider range of skills, theres less ducking, diving, record padding and corruption, the belts mean more, and their biggest fights dont consist of kids from Youtube and exhibition matches.

Its hard to get into a sport as much as boxing, if the fights are random af,every fighter can randomly be kod by a bum with 1 superior skillset,etc.(in boxing I like that guys can build up their skills & resume & then meetup for unifications that are between who is truly the best overall & the winner usually wins by being superior. Whereas with UFC guys like Lesner,as a freakshow classic roidfreak from WWE,was able to come in & destroy. That would never happen in boxing,Fury hardly is an apt comparison imho. Ufc's biggest star of all time has gotten his arse whooped by more C level fighters than he has good wins.(imagine if Floyd/Canelo had gotten destroyed by Josesito lopez,or Guerrero.)

Ufc is a joke to me because everyone is equally awful in different ways

(I know most mma fans LOVE that aspect of it,but to me thats why I don't consider it a real sport,I consider it a show just like wwe,& contrary to claims UFC doesn't always match the best,Dana White literally has screwed over champs from personal grudges,yet hes given others countless cherrypicks that backfired.)

I think UFC would actually benefit greatly by adding MORE rules. The fighters getting faces broken so often also to me is a bad thing as it ruins fights/careers & keeps them from becoming stars. I'd rather see them fighting with more padding on knuckles, it'd make a better show where skills matter more than how strong your bones in face are.

[Ryannn]

Its hard to get into a sport as much as boxing, if the fights are random af,every fighter can randomly be kod by a bum with 1 superior skillset,etc.(in boxing I like that guys can build up their skills & resume & then meetup for unifications that are between who is truly the best overall & the winner usually wins by being superior. Whereas with UFC guys like Lesner,as a freakshow classic roidfreak from WWE,was able to come in & destroy. That would never happen in boxing,Fury hardly is an apt comparison imho. Ufc's biggest star of all time has gotten his arse whooped by more C level fighters than he has good wins.(imagine if Floyd/Canelo had gotten destroyed by Josesito lopez,or Guerrero.)

Ufc is a joke to me because everyone is equally awful in different ways

(I know most mma fans LOVE that aspect of it,but to me thats why I don't consider it a real sport,I consider it a show just like wwe,& contrary to claims UFC doesn't always match the best,Dana White literally has screwed over champs from personal grudges,yet hes given others countless cherrypicks that backfired.)

I think UFC would actually benefit greatly by adding MORE rules. The fighters getting faces broken so often also to me is a bad thing as it ruins fights/careers & keeps them from becoming stars. I'd rather see them fighting with more padding on knuckles, it'd make a better show where skills matter more than how strong your bones in face are.

This is exactly why I cannot get invested in MMA as much as I am invested in boxing.

In boxing, the superior fighter wins 99% of the time. In MMA, it's like 70-30.

[TMLT87]

Its hard to get into a sport as much as boxing, if the fights are random af,every fighter can randomly be kod by a bum with 1 superior skillset

The flipside to this is MMA is more unpredictable, and therefore more entertaining, because split second moments can define the outcome of a fight more. This is also precisely why losses dont matter as much in MMA.

Whereas with UFC guys like Lesner,as a freakshow classic roidfreak from WWE,was able to come in & destroy. That would never happen in boxing

Again, Brock Lesnar was a high level national champion in (real) wrestling, and wrestling is considered the strongest base to have in MMA. Its MIXED martial arts, by definition it allows people from other combat sports to transfer their skills to MMA. That doesnt mean a guy like Brock wasnt legit as ****.

Ufc's biggest star of all time has gotten his arse whooped by more C level fighters than he has good wins.

Conor has beaten like 4 ATGs, all at a time when they werent considered washed up, and most of them in very dominant fashion, the Alvarez and Mendes wins were very good too. The only time he got whooped by C level fighters was in the early part of his career. Like I said he has more big wins than the vast majority of current boxing stars. A lot of current names in boxing have paper thin resumes compared to guys at a comparable level in MMA.

(I know most mma fans LOVE that aspect of it,but to me thats why I don't consider it a real sport,I consider it a show just like wwe,& contrary to claims UFC doesn't always match the best,Dana White literally has screwed over champs from personal grudges,yet hes given others countless cherrypicks that backfired

Talking about cherry picks and corruption while defending boxing doesnt really work.

I think UFC would actually benefit greatly by adding MORE rules. The fighters getting faces broken so often also to me is a bad thing as it ruins fights/careers & keeps them from becoming stars. I'd rather see them fighting with more padding on knuckles, it'd make a better show where skills matter more than how strong your bones in face are.

So basically you want to see fighting but with less blood, damage and KOs? dont you think this is kind of contrary to what the vast majority of people that tune into a combat sport would want to see? I dont see how it would make a "better show", it'd probably do the opposite.

The idea that skill doesnt already matter a ton is just BS. It always cracks me up when boxing fans say MMA is unskilled considering how much more technically complex it is. The checkers vs chess analogy is actually very applicable.