For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[R-Hand Southpaw]

UFC despite having a monopoly on mma,& despite having a much lower overhead,is actually nothing more than WwE 2.0,same fanbase,same exact ppv numbers,same recruiting strategy.. etc. Etc.(except WWE paid them way better)

I can PROVE that ufc is nothing but a migration from WWE once it tanked. Even their biggest stars are the same exact types WWE used to recruit. Bums like Sage Northcutt, Mcgimper,Rousey etc. Were chosen for demographic reasons strictly,& just like wwe,the fans buy into the overall show rather than because of the fighters actually being the best. Theres a reason a juiced up bum Brock Lesner was allowed to fight juiced & won UFC,as well as bums like CM punk.(2 ex wwe wrestler bums)

Is a much bigger farce than WWE ever was,& yet if you listen to everyone on this site you'd believe they took over boxings market share or fanbase,or anything,when in reality all that happened was the same fanbase from wrestling migrated to the NEW wrestling UFC. A "sport" where just as in WWE a guys mouth is as good as his skillset.


So prove me wrong,nows your chance to defend this joke sport mma fans. Speak up or forever hold your peace.

UFC is a farce but boxing isn't?

WWE has gone down hill? Says WHO LMFAO.

I love coming here just to see all you "men" get your ******* hurt because your sport is so damn niche.

At least in WWE when a guy is pretending to act tough we all know it's just an act. Now compare that to boxing and the legions of closeted gay men who follow it.

Guys like you love the drama and race game FAR more than you love the sport and honestly can't even fathom how punches are supposed to get thrown. How can you possibly comprehend kicks and grappling?

It must be fun being a fan of a guy and literally not wanting him to fight the best so you can brag proudly that you're the same race or nationality as him. That's boxing in a nutshell.

Only boxing fans get off on not seeing the best vs the best which is why their fans are the worst and why boxing sucks.

[KingGilgamesh]

UFC I think is slowly reaching its peak, if it hasn't already. I don't think it will get beyond the point it is now. UFC 264 was a big event, but how much of that can be credited towards Conor McGregor. He still remains its lone star. I think what boxing has, that UFC still doesn't, is star power. Yes, event fights are few and far between, but when they happen they feel like moments. Name me the last legendary UFC fight that you watched? Nothing feels special.

Of course, this is done deliberately to maintain the brand...but I think the issue is, there is simply not enough incentive for fighters to commit. I don't know if I'm wrong, but I feel the UFC still kinda lacks the kind of crossover appeal which, I feel, can only be provided by heavyweights. In boxing, Joshua, Fury and Wilder are known across both shores. And this is despite it currently being a weak era. The Klitschko's were well known, Lewis was well know, Holyfield was well known, Tyson was...Tyson, Bruno was a national treasure in the UK. I used to not buy into it, but I do legit feel a combat sport is defined by its "heavy hitters". The kind of people who everyone feels they don't stand a chance against in a fight. We see this across combat sports and territories too. Guys like Bobb Sapp became huge stars in Japan without having much fighting talent, K1's biggest names seem to be guys like Veerhoeven and Hari. If anything, what becomes apparent is just how...lacking the UFC is in heavyweight stars.

And this I think is its most significant hurdle.

Why? Because if I'm going up against a 230-250lbs man who can hit hard, I want to know I'm getting well paid for it. The pay in MMA is a bad joke, and it likely de-incentivizes big talented guys who may have ended up being busts in football/basketball from making the crossover. In that regard, boxing is a far more enticing option and, thus, why I think the UFC often fails to reach the nexus it enjoyed. Have a look at its top buys, its nothing but McGregor, Rousey, a single Mavidal fight and then a bunch of heavyweight fights from yesteryear. Boxing, on the other hand, seems to exist in peaks and troughs, and there are more potential stars in the heavyweight and lightweight division alone than the entire UFC roster. That will become a problem, especially as McGregor's career winds down.

[buddyr]

UFC I think is slowly reaching its peak, if it hasn't already. I don't think it will get beyond the point it is now. UFC 264 was a big event, but how much of that can be credited towards Conor McGregor. He still remains its lone star. I think what boxing has, that UFC still doesn't, is star power. Yes, event fights are few and far between, but when they happen they feel like moments. Name me the last legendary UFC fight that you watched? Nothing feels special.

Of course, this is done deliberately to maintain the brand...but I think the issue is, there is simply not enough incentive for fighters to commit. I don't know if I'm wrong, but I feel the UFC still kinda lacks the kind of crossover appeal which, I feel, can only be provided by heavyweights. In boxing, Joshua, Fury and Wilder are known across both shores. And this is despite it currently being a weak era. The Klitschko's were well known, Lewis was well know, Holyfield was well known, Tyson was...Tyson, Bruno was a national treasure in the UK. I used to not buy into it, but I do legit feel a combat sport is defined by its "heavy hitters". The kind of people who everyone feels they don't stand a chance against in a fight. We see this across combat sports and territories too. Guys like Bobb Sapp became huge stars in Japan without having much fighting talent, K1's biggest names seem to be guys like Veerhoeven and Hari. If anything, what becomes apparent is just how...lacking the UFC is in heavyweight stars.

And this I think is its most significant hurdle.

Why? Because if I'm going up against a 230-250lbs man who can hit hard, I want to know I'm getting well paid for it. The pay in MMA is a bad joke, and it likely de-incentivizes big talented guys who may have ended up being busts in football/basketball from making the crossover. In that regard, boxing is a far more enticing option and, thus, why I think the UFC often fails to reach the nexus it enjoyed. Have a look at its top buys, its nothing but McGregor, Rousey, a single Mavidal fight and then a bunch of heavyweight fights from yesteryear. Boxing, on the other hand, seems to exist in peaks and troughs, and there are more potential stars in the heavyweight and lightweight division alone than the entire UFC roster. That will become a problem, especially as McGregor's career winds down.

UFC is doing just fine. They don't really promote the fighters, but the product itself. Each one of their ppv cards do well. Why does UFC bother you guys so much. A lot of us watch both. It's not against the law to watch and enjoy both you know... It's perfectly legal.. I promise you won't get arrested for doing so.

[kushking]

UFC is a farce but boxing isn't?

WWE has gone down hill? Says WHO LMFAO.

I love coming here just to see all you "men" get your ******* hurt because your sport is so damn niche.

At least in WWE when a guy is pretending to act tough we all know it's just an act. Now compare that to boxing and the legions of closeted gay men who follow it.

Guys like you love the drama and race game FAR more than you love the sport and honestly can't even fathom how punches are supposed to get thrown. How can you possibly comprehend kicks and grappling?

It must be fun being a fan of a guy and literally not wanting him to fight the best so you can brag proudly that you're the same race or nationality as him. That's boxing in a nutshell.

Only boxing fans get off on not seeing the best vs the best which is why their fans are the worst and why boxing sucks.

Typical r-hand jerkoff,now it suddenly becomes so clear why you DKSAB stick to your gay wrestling/spooning matches,boxing is too alpha for you

[R-Hand Southpaw]

UFC I think is slowly reaching its peak, if it hasn't already. I don't think it will get beyond the point it is now. UFC 264 was a big event, but how much of that can be credited towards Conor McGregor. He still remains its lone star. I think what boxing has, that UFC still doesn't, is star power. Yes, event fights are few and far between, but when they happen they feel like moments. Name me the last legendary UFC fight that you watched? Nothing feels special.

Of course, this is done deliberately to maintain the brand...but I think the issue is, there is simply not enough incentive for fighters to commit. I don't know if I'm wrong, but I feel the UFC still kinda lacks the kind of crossover appeal which, I feel, can only be provided by heavyweights. In boxing, Joshua, Fury and Wilder are known across both shores. And this is despite it currently being a weak era. The Klitschko's were well known, Lewis was well know, Holyfield was well known, Tyson was...Tyson, Bruno was a national treasure in the UK. I used to not buy into it, but I do legit feel a combat sport is defined by its "heavy hitters". The kind of people who everyone feels they don't stand a chance against in a fight. We see this across combat sports and territories too. Guys like Bobb Sapp became huge stars in Japan without having much fighting talent, K1's biggest names seem to be guys like Veerhoeven and Hari. If anything, what becomes apparent is just how...lacking the UFC is in heavyweight stars.

And this I think is its most significant hurdle.

Why? Because if I'm going up against a 230-250lbs man who can hit hard, I want to know I'm getting well paid for it. The pay in MMA is a bad joke, and it likely de-incentivizes big talented guys who may have ended up being busts in football/basketball from making the crossover. In that regard, boxing is a far more enticing option and, thus, why I think the UFC often fails to reach the nexus it enjoyed. Have a look at its top buys, its nothing but McGregor, Rousey, a single Mavidal fight and then a bunch of heavyweight fights from yesteryear. Boxing, on the other hand, seems to exist in peaks and troughs, and there are more potential stars in the heavyweight and lightweight division alone than the entire UFC roster. That will become a problem, especially as McGregor's career winds down.

Bro.

Connor McGregor despite being a UFC star isn't even as big as people claim because for as much talk as he is anyone with two eyes and a brain knows he isn't even relevant.

Dude has 1 win in 5 years and has clearly lost it. All he is right now is a big name who's faded with time.

There are PLENTY of great fights that UFC has had and the only reason they arent "LEGENDARY" is because UFC literally puts on great fights ALL THE TIME.

Compare the to boxing where the best fights rarely get made and if they are its overdue and the "fans" support said fact because they love the men they cheer for more than the sport.

****, even some woman's matches are better than some men's matches! Heavy hitting is great in UFC but there is way more to the game than just striking!

This just proves you don't watch UFC so you have no idea what you're talking about.

People here celebrating that Tank Davis did 250k and is so successful. UFC laughs at boxing in every regard.

[1bad65]

This is exactly why I cannot get invested in MMA as much as I am invested in boxing.

In boxing, the superior fighter wins 99% of the time. In MMA, it's like 70-30.

Some fans like seeing more upsets and uncertainty.

Because MMA is fought at 3 ranges (striking, clinch, ground) the individual matchups mean alot more in MMA than boxing. Boxing is only fought at striking distance, and only allows punches.

Now I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm just citing the differences. MMA guys are jacks-of-all-trades, while a boxer's hands are levels above an MMA guy's hands.

And I'm a fan of both, though I tend to watch more boxing the last few years.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Typical r-hand jerkoff,now it suddenly becomes so clear why you DKSAB stick to your gay wrestling/spooning matches,boxing is too alpha for you

Got smacked around too much in your own thread didn't you?

Imagine the small little world around you crumbling in because you're the ****** one, not everyone else.

Telling me I don't know **** about boxing just because I love all combat sports shows how much a ****** and loser you are. Guys like you pretend to be fans but don't even know how to box. You don't even understand boxing!

What you do understand though is how to be a closet f@g so why don't you stop pretending that you love boxing and instead go dress up like the little .bi.tch you are.

You're a fan girl. Learn the difference.

Edit.

I just couldnt get over you saying "boxing is too alpha for you" because the way I see it, you're just some pathetic beta cuck pretending he knows what it means to be alpha.

Do alpha men whine as much as you do? Do they idolize men the way you do? Are they f@gs like you who love the drama more than the action?

Oh, just like a woman you don't understand what you're talking about but you feel so entitled to your opinion and just like a woman you don't want to hear it.

Kushking? More like beta cuck. You can call me r hand jerkoff but know I use my left. You can call yourself kushking but you're a beta cuck.

[1bad65]

The advantages that the UFC has over boxing are:

1) Monopoly where everyone is under the same promoter so big fights are able to happen more often

2) Their overall promotion (Promos, documentaries, production level) craps all over boxing’s. This allows the fans be invested in fighters more and so buy their ppvs

3) This one might be controversial but I feel like UFC fighters in general are just smarter than boxers and are able to communicate more effectively to the fans. This most likely has to do with most of them having gone to college for wrestling, football, etc. Guys like Fury exist in boxing but they are an anomaly where it seems in UFC every second guy is a good trash talker.

1. True

2. True, but didn't PBC try putting more focus on the boxers' backstories to try and get fans more involved?

3. I agree, but I think one other thing to factor in is language barriers as well. It's not uncommon in boxing for big names (like Canelo, for example) to not be able to speak English, or at least not good enough to engage in good trash talk that fans seem to love. In MMA they don't have that problem as often.


An interesting story; back when the Gracies (primarily Rorion) were putting together the UFC, they focused heavily on marketing. They chose to use Royce Gracie to represent them, as he was smaller and less muscular and would show the art beating larger opponents. Royce was then down in Brazil, where the native language is Portuguese. They brought Royce up to the US and had him doing just two things; getting ready to fight and watching Sesame Street learning to speak English. Assuming Royce won, they wanted him to be able to speak good English to the American fans/consumers they were focusing on.

[TMLT87]

UFC 264 was a big event, but how much of that can be credited towards Conor McGregor. He still remains its lone star. I think what boxing has, that UFC still doesn't, is star power.

Since 2020 without Conor PPVs included:

Usman/Mas 1 - 1.3m buys
Fury/Wilder 2 - 1.2m
Usman/Mas 2 - 700k
Adesanya/Jan - 800k
Adesanya/Costa - 700k
Ferg/Gaethje - 700k
Khabib/Gaethje - 675k
Adesanya/Vettori - 600k
Stipe/DC 3 - 500k
Oliveira/Chandler - 300k
Spence/Garcia - 250k
Tank/LSC - 225k
Tank/Barrios - 200k
Arreola/Ruiz - 125k
Charlo/Derevyanchenko - 120k

Name me the last legendary UFC fight that you watched? Nothing feels special.

Practically every Conor fight aside from the Cowboy one has felt bigger and more special than any boxing match since Floyd/Pac.

I feel the UFC still kinda lacks the kind of crossover appeal which, I feel, can only be provided by heavyweights. In boxing, Joshua, Fury and Wilder are known across both shores. And this is despite it currently being a weak era. The Klitschko's were well known, Lewis was well know, Holyfield was well known, Tyson was...Tyson, Bruno was a national treasure in the UK. I used to not buy into it, but I do legit feel a combat sport is defined by its "heavy hitters". The kind of people who everyone feels they don't stand a chance against in a fight. We see this across combat sports and territories too. Guys like Bobb Sapp became huge stars in Japan without having much fighting talent, K1's biggest names seem to be guys like Veerhoeven and Hari. If anything, what becomes apparent is just how...lacking the UFC is in heavyweight stars.

At the moment yes but this is not a constant thing. HW boxing right now is at its most high profile since when Tyson and Lennox were around. If you go back 10 years Wlad was fighting guys like Samuel Peter in Germany while Brock was fighting in Vegas doing massive PPV numbers and Cain/JDS were on network television in front of 9 million US viewers.

Ngannou is a pretty big star/draw anyway, comparable to Wilder I would say.

[miniq]

UFC MMA is built on hypejobs

Their hypejobs are running out.