For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[mromano]

I am a fan of both, but boxing will always be my #1. Boxing will never be taken over by UFC, ever. The history of boxing alone is 1000 fold more then UFC can ever hold a candle to.

- UFC is fast paced, intertwined with mixed styles which makes nearly every contest different
- 1 belt per division with weight requirements widened to alleviate from too many weight classes
- Way more top matchups. The top guys fight each other all the time.
- The top fighters actually fight more then 1 time per year.

PS: Dana White is a pos and doesn't pay the fighters nearly what they deserve.

[TMLT87]

UFC MMA is built on hypejobs

Their hypejobs are running out.

Lol almost every halfway decent boxer with a promoter behind him gets a long undefeated record and a belt while fighting a bunch of dudes with records like 4-65 who are literally paid to spar for a bit and then go down. Thats a hypejob.

When are these UFC hypejobs supposed to run out anyway? they've been going to PPV every few weeks and doing great numbers for like 15 years now with a wide range of names.

Boxing will never be taken over by UFC, ever. The history of boxing alone is 1000 fold more then UFC can ever hold a candle to.

It already has in many respects. Of course boxing has a better history than a sport that basically came into existence in the 90s. But the present is tomorrows history. 30 years from now when people talk about great fights and fighters from back in the day they're likely gonna be talking about MMA over boxing.

[kushking]

Lol almost every halfway decent boxer with a promoter behind him gets a long undefeated record and a belt while fighting a bunch of dudes with records like 4-65 who are literally paid to spar for a bit and then go down. Thats a hypejob.

When are these UFC hypejobs supposed to run out anyway? they've been going to PPV every few weeks and doing great numbers for like 15 years now with a wide range of names.



It already has in many respects. Of course boxing has a better history than a sport that basically came into existence in the 90s. But the present is tomorrows history. 30 years from now when people talk about great fights and fighters from back in the day they're likely gonna be talking about MMA over boxing.

NoBody wants to watch men in thongs spoon each other,well almost NoBody like this guy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...****/82135182/

That alone is reason enough that Ufc never will bring in anywhere near the revenue boxing does as a sport(especially not once Ufc is bankrupted & has its business model destroyed, from class action lawsuits its facing that it will lose)

Ufc is a lame sport compared to boxing Because..... wrastling is boring af & worse to watch than baseball or netball which says a lot

[TMLT87]

Ufc is a lame sport compared to boxing Because..... wrastling is boring af & worse to watch than baseball or netball which says a lot

Its ironic you bring up baseball when there are so many parallels between it and boxing. Both sports steeped in history and tradition, both now considered to be dying, archaic and watched by old dudes, both overtaken by a more dramatic flashy sport that people consider more exciting and violent (American football in baseballs case).

[kushking]

Lol almost every halfway decent boxer with a promoter behind him gets a long undefeated record and a belt while fighting a bunch of dudes with records like 4-65 who are literally paid to spar for a bit and then go down. Thats a hypejob.

When are these UFC hypejobs supposed to run out anyway? they've been going to PPV every few weeks and doing great numbers for like 15 years now with a wide range of names.



It already has in many respects. Of course boxing has a better history than a sport that basically came into existence in the 90s. But the present is tomorrows history. 30 years from now when people talk about great fights and fighters from back in the day they're likely gonna be talking about MMA over boxing.

Oh yeah,Ufc doesn't"have the best fighting the best" I have thoroughly debunked that. Itd be like this scenario exactly: imagine if Gilberto Ramirez got the only title at 175 because he was signed to the sole promoter of all of boxing over guys like Beterbieve & Bivol due to being more marketable,then when he fights guys like Jesse Hart for his trinket, fans start saying how much they love boxing "Because of 1 belt & the best fighting the best",

thats the exact same thing ufc fans do when they claim bums like Cowboy Cerrone,Conner Mcgimper,Nate Diaz,& a bunch of other phony "#1 vs #2" bums are the best fighting the best, just because ufc only has a few fighters in each weightclass who are all C levels.

Ufc is the equivalent of if Pbc created its own belt & matched up all its own in house journeyman while proclaiming them the best despite them not having to go through anything a boxer has to prove they're world level,boxers have to win minor belts & eliminators for years & years,& Ufc fighters barely fight sporadically,have the shortest careers at elite level on avg of any combat sport,& they barely have to prove their the best if they check the right demo boxes.

[Shadoww702]

Assemblyman Daniel O'Donnell (D-Manhattan), who is gay. “Well, I should really like MMA. You have two nearly naked, hot men trying to dominate each other. That’s gay p@rn with a different ending.”


LMFAO!!!!

[RL_GMA]

I don't think it's much of the "UFC taking over Boxing" more so than some Boxing fans just being naïve to the UFC's overall popularity right now. When "BIG" Boxing matches are made the casual public will still show up (as they assumingly will for Pacquiao and Spence). The UFC in itself IS a brand / entity that the casual public has a very easy time following. With Boxing (especially today) being so fragmented between Networks / Promoters / & Secondary Titlists being promoted as "World Champions" along with the top fights more times than not being made how can anyone think Boxing is in this "healthy place"? The argument most Boxing fans use as a crutch when the debate is made between MMA & Boxing almost always comes down to fighter pay outs. But for someone who's a fan of both MMA & Boxing, what does the fighter pay out matter in relation to the overall product?

Here are the UFC's last 5 PPVs:

UFC 260 (Miocic vs NGannou 2) - 350K Buys
UFC 261 (Usman v Masdival 2) - 700K Buys
UFC 262 - 300K Buys
UFC 263 (Adesanya vs Vettori) - 500K Buys
UFC 264 - (McGregor v Porier 2) - in the range of 1.2 Mill buys currently

Boxing's last 5 PPVs:

Wilder v Fury 2 - 850K buys
Tank vs Leo Santa Cruz - 200K buys
Tank vs Barrios - 210K Buys
Spence vs Danny Garcia - 250K buys
Canelo v BJS "reportedly" had 400K new Subs to DAZN

So if you're a casual observer looking at these numbers one would assume the UFC isn't doing bad AT ALL.

I've ALWAYS had the attitude that you CAN watch both individually without ****ting on the other product.

[RL_GMA]

Boxing has stagnated,no doubt,but my point is that its not due to UFC. Its due to boxers not making big fights as often & illegal streaming partly.

The UFC is heavily streamed (illegally) as well though. ****....practically EVERY sport in the US is heavily streamed hence why the the ratings have plummeted the last couple years. The NBA in particular is mainly televised on cable TV (ESPN, TNT, NBA League Pass, Local Sports Network) with the latter part of the season having games on ABC on Sundays and NBA Finals. It's not that people AREN'T watching the NBA but they're not paying cable companies more so than IPTV hosts & VPN accounts for 1/4 of the price they'd be paying prior.

[kushking]

I don't think it's much of the "UFC taking over Boxing" more so than some Boxing fans just being naïve to the UFC's overall popularity right now. When "BIG" Boxing matches are made the casual public will still show up (as they assumingly will for Pacquiao and Spence). The UFC in itself IS a brand / entity that the casual public has a very easy time following. With Boxing (especially today) being so fragmented between Networks / Promoters / & Secondary Titlists being promoted as "World Champions" along with the top fights more times than not being made how can anyone think Boxing is in this "healthy place"? The argument most Boxing fans use as a crutch when the debate is made between MMA & Boxing almost always comes down to fighter pay outs. But for someone who's a fan of both MMA & Boxing, what does the fighter pay out matter in relation to the overall product?

Here are the UFC's last 5 PPVs:

UFC 260 (Miocic vs NGannou 2) - 350K Buys
UFC 261 (Usman v Masdival 2) - 700K Buys
UFC 262 - 300K Buys
UFC 263 (Adesanya vs Vettori) - 500K Buys
UFC 264 - (McGregor v Porier 2) - in the range of 1.2 Mill buys currently

Boxing's last 5 PPVs:

Wilder v Fury 2 - 850K buys
Tank vs Leo Santa Cruz - 200K buys
Tank vs Barrios - 210K Buys
Spence vs Danny Garcia - 250K buys
Canelo v BJS "reportedly" had 400K new Subs to DAZN

So if you're a casual observer looking at these numbers one would assume the UFC isn't doing bad AT ALL.

I've ALWAYS had the attitude that you CAN watch both individually without ****ting on the other product.

As I stated,I have no problem with Ufc(other than that the entire sport slanders boxing to promote itself as do fans)

Ufc is mostly not the same demographic as boxing(most ufc fans are at best casual boxing fans & most boxing fans are casual mma fans at best) As stated,Ufc has reached it potential already imho,if it gets any bigger it'll be unsustainable because boxing has hundreds of shows a yr where every divisions champions headline their own card.

My pt was boxing will continue to have mega fights with the most revenue,as well as moderately successful ppvs,while Ufc makes most its money off few ppvs of its biggest stars & by paying fighters poorly,theres no way Ufc ever truly becomes like boxing where boxing has dozens of fighters earning millions & subsidizing lesser draws on undercards.

[RL_GMA]

As I stated,I have no problem with Ufc(other than that the entire sport slanders boxing to promote itself as do fans)

Ufc is mostly not the same demographic as boxing(most ufc fans are at best casual boxing fans & most boxing fans are casual mma fans at best) As stated,Ufc has reached it potential already imho,if it gets any bigger it'll be unsustainable because boxing has hundreds of shows a yr where every divisions champions headline their own card.

My pt was boxing will continue to have mega fights with the most revenue,as well as moderately successful ppvs,while Ufc makes most its money off few ppvs of its biggest stars & by paying fighters poorly,theres no way Ufc ever truly becomes like boxing where boxing has dozens of fighters earning millions & subsidizing lesser draws on undercards.

While Boxing and MMA DO have different demographics I don't see a "huge" difference. I look at it very similar to the NBA & NFL. Two different games / different demographics but with A LOT of fans who watch both. Hell, even Boxers and MMA fighters themselves watch the opposing Sport almost all the time.

As far as the UFC already reaching it's potential I suppose the same was said about Boxing in the mid-40s? MMA isn't going anywhere and the UFC at least right now are the #1 MMA Promotion on the planet, bar none. I see the Sport competitively and business wise (like Boxing) evolving as the years go on, especially if they're consistent with their product and new stars are created. I recall in 2011 (on this very forum) people saying UFC was done, they had no stars, etc. Skip a decade and that doesn't really seem to be the case.