For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[kushking]

Pretty much nailed it.

For me they're different sports. Because of the structure in the UFC I've become a bigger fan of MMA over boxing.

There isn't tons of promotions and guys fight the ranks. I want to see the champ fight the 2 guy. UFC makes this happen. In boxing it's a joke. Oh and UFC makes way more cash than boxing. Higher viewers most of the time without trash talkers. Sure you have a few hype jobs but so does boxing. What's worse is in boxing boxers are protected.

Heres the thing,its easy to make fights between the top 2 when both guys are the only 2 even remotely names in each weightclass,when you don't have to pay them well because guys get dethroned so often far before even becoming established stars,& to top it off UFC recruits fighters like WWE used to,they don't have anywhere near the depth boxing does where the top 2 guys truly are the cream of the crop undisputably.

UFCs talent pool is as shallow as it gets,& nothing in the sport lends itself to longevity in 99% of cases(Silva being the exception,as for UFC doing great ppv numbers on Mcgimper cards,thats totally irrelevant because in boxing there aren't any irish star champions, Mcgimper was an awful hypejob of a paper champion who's reign barely lasted & at that it was against cherrypicks gone wrong.)

If UFC actually had anywhere near the depth of talent Boxing has it would be completely unsustainable & the ppvs would do far worse,as I've stated previously,UFC fans buy into the show itself,& it barely matters whos fighting.

[man down]

Heres the thing,its easy to make fights between the top 2 when both guys are the only 2 even remotely names in each weightclass,when you don't have to pay them well because guys get dethroned so often far before even becoming established stars,& to top it off UFC recruits fighters like WWE used to,they don't have anywhere near the depth boxing does where the top 2 guys truly are the cream of the crop undisputably.

UFCs talent pool is as shallow as it gets,& nothing in the sport lends itself to longevity in 99% of cases(Silva being the exception,as for UFC doing great ppv numbers on Mcgimper cards,thats totally irrelevant because in boxing there aren't any irish star champions, Mcgimper was an awful hypejob of a paper champion who's reign barely lasted & at that it was against cherrypicks gone wrong.)

If UFC actually had anywhere near the depth of talent Boxing has it would be completely unsustainable & the ppvs would do far worse,as I've stated previously,UFC fans buy into the show itself,& it barely matters whos fighting.

Bro you're trippin. The market is there. The fan base is there. The numbers are there. You can say they don't have a lot of talent all you want but the fact remains UFC pulls in more cash than boxing.
I can promise you boxing would love to pull in that much cash for guys that don't have "talent" as you say.

Floyd started all this money stuff so I don't know why you keep acting like boxing hasn't been doing this chit from the start with Ali and others.

Numbers matter that's all it comes down to. If you don't understand the sport then don't watch it. For me boxing and MMA are just different sports. I respect boxing and I respect MMA. If I had to pick one it would be MMA. Why? Because of the reasons I posted above.

Sure there will always be guys that clean out the divisions and make it look like there's no talent. Guys like Usman, khabib and Jon Jones. These guys risk a lot more than guys in boxing because they don't don't a choice. Pay them more and they will shelf themselves just like boxers. No thanks! I like to watch good fights. I dont like to wait for years and years and hear just trash talk.

You also bring up WWE, I don't understand this reference as MMA is the real deal. Matter of fact boxers talk more like WWE guys. But thats all they do for years is talk. MMA guys defend belts and run through ranks.

BTW I'm sure Conor and Dustin will both break 30 mil each. Doesnt seem too bad considering they made close to that six months ago when they fought. Amazing we didn't have to wait for years for a rematch like in boxing.

[moochi]

Boxing will only get worse, with the current 12 "champions" per divisions (in reality they are not the best 12 in the world, some are as high as prob top 30-40) specially with the lower weight divisions having 3 or 5 lbs difference, that is a lot of selling you can do in trying to build a $tar.

I remember watching a Teofimo Lopez interview and they asked him about Tank, and he said "he won't fight me!" And then they told him he's going to fight at 140 against some unknown guy (but a champ), and then Teo smirked and said "well that's so they can say he's a 3 division champ"... funny moment, coz it was like a not **** Sherlock moment, but him knowing that he will miss out on money if he doesn't do the same thing (but he did say that's not his aim). Credit to him but you definitely feel sorry for fighters like that.

[kushking]

Bro you're trippin. The market is there. The fan base is there. The numbers are there. You can say they don't have a lot of talent all you want but the fact remains UFC pulls in more cash than boxing.
I can promise you boxing would love to pull in that much cash for guys that don't have "talent" as you say.

Floyd started all this money stuff so I don't know why you keep acting like boxing hasn't been doing this chit from the start with Ali and others.

Numbers matter that's all it comes down to. If you don't understand the sport then don't watch it. For me boxing and MMA are just different sports. I respect boxing and I respect MMA. If I had to pick one it would be MMA. Why? Because of the reasons I posted above.

Sure there will always be guys that clean out the divisions and make it look like there's no talent. Guys like Usman, khabib and Jon Jones. These guys risk a lot more than guys in boxing because they don't don't a choice. Pay them more and they will shelf themselves just like boxers. No thanks! I like to watch good fights. I dont like to wait for years and years and hear just trash talk.

You also bring up WWE, I don't understand this reference as MMA is the real deal. Matter of fact boxers talk more like WWE guys. But thats all they do for years is talk. MMA guys defend belts and run through ranks.

BTW I'm sure Conor and Dustin will both break 30 mil each. Doesnt seem too bad considering they made close to that six months ago when they fought. Amazing we didn't have to wait for years for a rematch like in boxing.

You just aren't getting it,UFC only has events,it doesn't have remotely the depth of boxing where guys like AJ/Fury/Wilder/Teo/ Andrade/Beterbieve/Ggg/Bivol/Canelo/Bud/Spence/Tank/etc. & even your nonchamps like Whyte, Jacobs ,Eubank, Con,Loma etc.are headlining,they fight constantly every single year on their own shows & cards as the main event every time out(& they finance other lesser draws on undercards).

In Ufc you got random weightclasses & random champs fighting on any given"event" akin to WrestleMania type events where the ppv buyers are buying into the event more than the fighter(in the sense that unlike in boxing in UFC its all on which random guys are the biggest draws or who blows Dana more that dictates who becomes what)

(& that is also why they do so many ppv buys,its because boxing gets spread out into way more events which keeps it being infinitely deeper than UFC can even dream of becoming,whereas UFC is all consolidated into far fewer "Events" which is why 99.9% UFC fighters are just journeyman,very few get a chance to become established champ stars,& its usually not because of talent(if it was Kabib wouldn't have only beaten Mcgimper hed be headlining 3x a yr,& Mcgimper would never have been a 2 division champ.

(Ufcs list of champions is laughable in comparison to boxings)

[man down]

You just aren't getting it,UFC only has events,it doesn't have remotely the depth of boxing where guys like Charlo/Andrade/Beterbieve/Ggg/Bivol/Canelo/Bud/Spence/Tank/etc. & even your nonchamps like Jacobs & Eubank & Con,Loma etc.are headlining,they fight constantly every single year on their own shows & cards as the main event every time out(& they finance other lesser draws on undercards).

In Ufc you got random weightclasses & random champs fighting on any given"event" akin to WrestleMania type events where the ppv buyers are buying into the event more than the fighter(in the sense that unlike in boxing in UFC its all on which random guys are the biggest draws or who blows Dana more(& that is also why they do so many ppv buys,its because boxing gets spread out into way more events which keeps it being infinitely deeper than UFC can even dream of becoming,whereas UFC is all consolodated into far fewer "Events" which is why 99.9% UFC fighters are just journeyman,very few get a chance to become established champ stars,& its usually not because if talent(if it was Kabib wouldn't have only beaten Mcgimper,& Mcgimper would never have been a 2 division champ.

(Ufcs list of champions is laughable in comparison to boxings)

Straight up after reading your reply I'm not even going to debate you. It's clear you don't know the spot.

Good luck.

[MONGOOSE66]

Wow, someone has a healthy ego. Ask yourself. Where are the current “fight fans coming from? AND WHO do they want to see right? It’s Mayweather, Conor McGregor and the keyboard warrior. 2 of the 3 ARENT boxers.
You see a trend here? NONE are a CURRENT boxer?
”FIGHT FANS” are the future. Notice I didn’t say “boxing fans”.

Many here aren’t paying attention to WHO are the money making fighters TODAY.
ONE of the guys isn’t even a boxer or a mma guy. Should tell u something.

[kushking]

Many here aren’t paying attention to WHO are the money making fighters TODAY.
ONE of the guys isn’t even a boxer or a mma guy. Should tell u something.

I hope you don't mean That bum mangimp Paul who is not in any way shape or form a draw as I proved irrefutably in my last thread.(he wouldn't be making less than a million a fight if that were true,& his own trainer Mike Tyson agrees with me.(he literally said the ppv numbers were awful. Just as I said the Ali act proves Paul is not a draw or hed be forced to get paid far more than that,& Tyson agrees.) If Paul were a draw Triller wouldn't be paying him multiple times less than Kambosos,& they wouldn't have been threatening ppl into ratting on themselves by paying to avoid getting sued

[kushking]

Straight up after reading your reply I'm not even going to debate you. It's clear you don't know the spot.

Good luck.

After reading your response its clear that since you can't refute any of the facts I stated you'd rather avoid debate. Checkmate I'll take it as.

(Or please enlighten us as to what I said is false or just my opinion? Because all you have to do is prove what I said wrong,list these ufc fighters who headline their own shows & finance lesser fighters & how often they fight,I would love to hear this list)

[man down]

After reading your response its clear that since you can't refute any of the facts I stated you'd rather avoid debate. Checkmate I'll take it as.

(Or please enlighten us as to what I said is false or just my opinion? Because all you have to do is prove what I said wrong,list these ufc fighters who headline their own shows & finance lesser fighters & how often they fight,I would love to hear this list)

I dont have to the numbers do it for me lol.

There's no point in arguing over it. It's funny you list those guys but the issue is they won't even fight each other.

Numbers are growing and the only thing boxing can do is make the makes fans want to see.

Don't worry I'll give you a list of killers after the fights are over. Fighters and their own events? And finance other fighters? Why the hell would fans want that?? So we could have less fights like boxing? Either way numbers win, the end.

[kushking]

I dont have to the numbers do it for me lol.

There's no point in arguing over it. It's funny you list those guys but the issue is they won't even fight each other.

Numbers are growing and the only thing boxing can do is make the makes fans want to see.

Don't worry I'll give you a list of killers after the fights are over. Fighters and their own events? And finance other fighters? Why the hell would fans want that?? So we could have less fights like boxing? Either way numbers win, the end.

You're missing the point entirely,UFC is an event based tournament style show.

Boxing is a truly established depth having sport where every single division is stacked full of talent infinitely more than UFC is(so even though ppl like you complain about boxing never having the best fight each other(a lie) when you add up all the boxing unifications alone every yr,Ufc pales in comparison)

All you have to do is look at the list of the supposed best fights UFC had last last few yrs,& when compared to boxings list any given year its a blowout in boxing favor. For all the crying about what fights didn't happen we get tons every yr that did happen that are oftentimes far more entertaining anyways.