For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[kushking]

The flipside to this is MMA is more unpredictable, and therefore more entertaining, because split second moments can define the outcome of a fight more. This is also precisely why losses dont matter as much in MMA.



Again, Brock Lesnar was a high level national champion in (real) wrestling, and wrestling is considered the strongest base to have in MMA. Its MIXED martial arts, by definition it allows people from other combat sports to transfer their skills to MMA. That doesnt mean a guy like Brock wasnt legit as ****.



Conor has beaten like 4 ATGs, all at a time when they werent considered washed up, and most of them in very dominant fashion, the Alvarez and Mendes wins were very good too. The only time he got whooped by C level fighters was in the early part of his career. Like I said he has more big wins than the vast majority of current boxing stars. A lot of current names in boxing have paper thin resumes compared to guys at a comparable level in MMA.




Talking about cherry picks and corruption while defending boxing doesnt really work.



So basically you want to see fighting but with less blood, damage and KOs? dont you think this is kind of contrary to what the vast majority of people that tune into a combat sport would want to see? I dont see how it would make a "better show", it'd probably do the opposite.

The idea that skill doesnt already matter a ton is just BS. It always cracks me up when boxing fans say MMA is unskilled considering how much more technically complex it is. The checkers vs chess analogy is actually very applicable.

I just watched an mma fight today in a event called "featherweight tournament" & it was the gayest fight I ever saw,both fighters were lying on the floor spooning each other,& the guy with his head facing away from his opponent behind him actually ended up winning. Mma is a flamingly gay sport to watch,I would be embarrassed to have someone walk in on me watching that

And there was no skill involved whatsoever,it was just 2 pub brawlers spooning. The wrestling in mma makes it unwatchable & gay

I genuinely can't see the appeal of watching men in thongs wrestling. As for the part about damage being a good thing, that's false, it doesn't lead to more kos to have guys looking like mickey rourke & being forced into retirement from broken eyesockets. Id rather watch them actually throw more punches & there wouldn't be a million different champs in every division every yr if that wrre the case.

Just imagine if every other fight fighters like Canelo/Bud/Spence were dethroned by scrubs, it'd cheapen the whole sport & there would be no appeal in watching because nobody would recognize most the champs or be able to keep up.

[kushking]

Heres some links about the topic of mma being gay, apparently thats the appeal & a large part of those ppv buys,there is even a gay congressman who said he loves mma & likened it to gay pôrn.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...****/82135182/

[TMLT87]

Okay sure thing, MMA is gay pub brawls and not a real sport and they all suck.

Keep clutching those straws living in denial while it continues to kick boxings ass lol.

[nubianpiye]

UFC is a gay sport in the last 15 years boxing has had it's all time biggest PPV and this is the all time biggest ppv in history ; Why try to act like it's still not drawing and I haven't even posted the DAZN numbers for Canelo if he was fighting on PPV he breaches a million every time also.

4,600,000 Floyd Pac
4,300,000 Floyd Conor
2,200,000 Floyd Canelo
1,500,000 Floyd Cotto
2,400,00 Floyd Oscar
1,143,000 Klitscho Haye
1,532,000 Klitscho Joshua
1,457,000 Joshua Parker
1,540,000 Joshua Ruiz 2
1,515,000 Haye Bellew
1,240,000 Joshua Povetkin
1,000,000 Canelo Chavez
1,060,000 Floyd Marquez
1,100,000 Canelo Golovkin 2
1,150,000 Pac Margarito
1.15 million Pac Marquez 4
1.25 million Pac Oscar
1.25 million Pac Cotto
1.25 million Floyd Ortiz
1.3 million PPV buys KSI Logan Paul
1.3 million Canelo Golovkin 1
1.34 million Pac Mosley
1.4 million Floyd Mosley
1.4 million Marquez Pac 3

[TMLT87]

UFC is a gay sport in the last 15 years boxing has had it's all time biggest PPV and this is the all time biggest ppv in history ; Why try to act like it's still not drawing and I haven't even posted the DAZN numbers for Canelo if he was fighting on PPV he breaches a million every time also.

4,600,000 Floyd Pac
4,300,000 Floyd Conor
2,200,000 Floyd Canelo
1,500,000 Floyd Cotto
2,400,00 Floyd Oscar
1,143,000 Klitscho Haye
1,532,000 Klitscho Joshua
1,457,000 Joshua Parker
1,540,000 Joshua Ruiz 2
1,515,000 Haye Bellew
1,240,000 Joshua Povetkin
1,000,000 Canelo Chavez
1,060,000 Floyd Marquez
1,100,000 Canelo Golovkin 2
1,150,000 Pac Margarito
1.15 million Pac Marquez 4
1.25 million Pac Oscar
1.25 million Pac Cotto
1.25 million Floyd Ortiz
1.3 million PPV buys KSI Logan Paul
1.3 million Canelo Golovkin 1
1.34 million Pac Mosley
1.4 million Floyd Mosley
1.4 million Marquez Pac 3

If you take away the circus **** involving youtubers, MMA fighters etc and focus only on serious boxing matches between real current boxers, boxing has generated less PPV buys in the US in the 6+ years since Floyd/Pac than the UFC has since the start of 2020.

[GrandpaBernard]

Floyd stopped that when he whooped Conor’s azz

Floyd proved boxing is its own unique product

[MONGOOSE66]

UFC despite having a monopoly on mma,& despite having a much lower overhead,is actually nothing more than WwE 2.0,same fanbase,same exact ppv numbers,same recruiting strategy.. etc. Etc.(except WWE paid them way better)

I can PROVE that ufc is nothing but a migration from WWE once it tanked. Even their biggest stars are the same exact types WWE used to recruit. Bums like Sage Northcutt, Mcgimper,Rousey etc. Were chosen for demographic reasons strictly,& just like wwe,the fans buy into the overall show rather than because of the fighters actually being the best. Theres a reason a juiced up bum Brock Lesner was allowed to fight juiced & won UFC,as well as bums like CM punk.(2 ex wwe wrestler bums)

Is a much bigger farce than WWE ever was,& yet if you listen to everyone on this site you'd believe they took over boxings market share or fanbase,or anything,when in reality all that happened was the same fanbase from wrestling migrated to the NEW wrestling UFC. A "sport" where just as in WWE a guys mouth is as good as his skillset.


So prove me wrong,nows your chance to defend this joke sport mma fans. Speak up or forever hold your peace.

Wow, someone has a healthy ego. Ask yourself. Where are the current “fight fans coming from? AND WHO do they want to see right? It’s Mayweather, Conor McGregor and the keyboard warrior. 2 of the 3 ARENT boxers.
You see a trend here? NONE are a CURRENT boxer?
”FIGHT FANS” are the future. Notice I didn’t say “boxing fans”.

[nubianpiye]

If you take away the circus **** involving youtubers, MMA fighters etc and focus only on serious boxing matches between real current boxers, boxing has generated less PPV buys in the US in the 6+ years since Floyd/Pac than the UFC has since the start of 2020.

Your are a troll you went from the last fifteen years to three last five you don't even live in America but you only want to count ppv sales in America despite the fact you live in the UK and then you say exclude circus fights well you should exclude everything with brock Lesnar and cm punk then you clown.

[TMLT87]

Your are a troll you went from the last fifteen years to three last five you don't even live in America but you only want to count ppv sales in America and then you say exclude circus fights well you should exclude everything with brock Lesnar and cm punk then you clown.

if you're talking about the last 15, its like this, the UFC started blowing up in 05/06 and by the late 00s was the more consistent PPV draw than boxing. By that I mean it was generating more total PPV buys per year, and doing significant numbers with a much wider range of names. However boxing lucked out as Floyd and Pac blew up around the same time and papered over the cracks for years, then when they finally fought its almost like a lot of people collectively thought "okay, that was anticlimactic, i guess I can finally move on now", Floyds next fight did 400k buys then he retired from real boxing completely, and Pac hasnt been a big draw since. Hence my post about how things have been after the Floyd/Pac era. If it wasnt for the timing of Floyd and Pac getting big this current situation would have already started happening in like 2007.

I was using American numbers because thats the main market for most of these fights, the big fights are usually based there, the PPVs are sold at full price and the numbers are easy to look up.

CM Punk did virtually nothing for PPV numbers, he was never in the main event and iirc neither of the cards he was on were even in the top 5 biggest drawing UFC PPVs of the year.

As for trying to compare Brock being thrown into the lions den against elite HWs, to goofy Youtube kids fighting other Youtuber kids, please.

[Marchegiano]

I don't understand why people care. I watch all sorts of combat sports, most of them are pretty underground.

Who watches Sumo or Fencing? Like no one. So Boxing and MMA are doing fine.