For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

[man down]

UFC isn't taking over boxing. This will never happen. UFC is its own sport. The UFC just gives their fans(and I am one of them along with a boxing fan) something boxing hasn't in damn near 5 decades. 1 belt per weight class, limited weight classes, and the best fighting the best without the twitter/promoter bs. That's it. A #5 and #6 regularly fight each other. The champion regularly fights the #1 guy in the division at least 2 or 3 times a year. None of this 8 belts per weight class(in any of the MMA federations), no 17 weight classes split by 3-7 pounds in the first 15 and no cherry picking. Why do so called boxing fans oppose their favorite fighters fighting top competition? I don't understand it.

Pretty much nailed it.

For me they're different sports. Because of the structure in the UFC I've become a bigger fan of MMA over boxing.

There isn't tons of promotions and guys fight the ranks. I want to see the champ fight the 2 guy. UFC makes this happen. In boxing it's a joke. Oh and UFC makes way more cash than boxing. Higher viewers most of the time without trash talkers. Sure you have a few hype jobs but so does boxing. What's worse is in boxing boxers are protected.

[nubianpiye]

if you're talking about the last 15, its like this, the UFC started blowing up in 05/06 and by the late 00s was the more consistent PPV draw than boxing. By that I mean it was generating more total PPV buys per year, and doing significant numbers with a much wider range of names. However boxing lucked out as Floyd and Pac blew up around the same time and papered over the cracks for years, then when they finally fought its almost like a lot of people collectively thought "okay, that was anticlimactic, i guess I can finally move on now", Floyds next fight did 400k buys then he retired from real boxing completely, and Pac hasnt been a big draw since. Hence my post about how things have been after the Floyd/Pac era. If it wasnt for the timing of Floyd and Pac getting big this current situation would have already started happening in like 2007.

I was using American numbers because thats the main market for most of these fights, the big fights are usually based there, the PPVs are sold at full price and the numbers are easy to look up.

CM Punk did virtually nothing for PPV numbers, he was never in the main event and iirc neither of the cards he was on were even in the top 5 biggest drawing UFC PPVs of the year.

As for trying to compare Brock being thrown into the lions den against elite HWs, to goofy Youtube kids fighting other Youtuber kids, please.

you are lying to yourself, you said America because you know boxing is much bigger globally and so this way of picking and choosing helps your narrative. You also know the biggest PPV draw (Joshua) fights in the UK and that's where his PPV's are selling the most the biggest PPV star globally (Canelo) Doesn't actually fight on PPV so last era we had two big PPV stars (Pac & Floyd) and this era we have two big PPV draws (Joshua & Canelo) you live in the UK and know just how big of a star Joshua is he's bigger than any star in the UFC in the UK including McGregor he's in google adverts, Lynx Adverts he's constantly on TV and after him Fury is the second biggest.

[buddyr]

Pretty much nailed it.

For me they're different sports. Because of the structure in the UFC I've become a bigger fan of MMA over boxing.

There isn't tons of promotions and guys fight the ranks. I want to see the champ fight the 2 guy. UFC makes this happen. In boxing it's a joke. Oh and UFC makes way more cash than boxing. Higher viewers most of the time without trash talkers. Sure you have a few hype jobs but so does boxing. What's worse is in boxing boxers are protected.

And you have 3 or 4 guys in the TOP 10 OF THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS (multiple weight classes) that are undefeated. How are 4 men in the top 10 of the same weight class undefeated for 3 or 4 years?

[buddyr]

100% true.

The monopoly allows UFC to put the best fights.

If it was boxing, we'd never get Khabib vs Mcgregor.

When will Crawford and Spence fight? both of those cowards shouldnt be getting paid a dime.

yes we would. In the year 2024. lol

[man down]

And you have 3 or 4 guys in the TOP 10 OF THE SAME WEIGHT CLASS (multiple weight classes) that are undefeated. How are 4 men in the top 10 of the same weight class undefeated for 3 or 4 years?

Cherry picking bro. It's funny because they say they let these fights marinate so they can make more money.

Meanwhile UFC kills it monthly if not weekly. Seriously, boxing got it all ***ed up with this undefeated stuff. There's only a couple guys in the UFC that are undefeated and fights still sell.

So while boxing is kicking the can down the road UFC makes bank left and right.

Plus Dana is in charge and doesn't put up with chit. Can't fight? Sorry gotta move past ya! Lol

[TMLT87]

you are lying to yourself, you said America because you know boxing is much bigger globally and so this way of picking and choosing helps your narrative. You also know the biggest PPV draw (Joshua) fights in the UK and that's where his PPV's are selling the most the biggest PPV star globally (Canelo) Doesn't actually fight on PPV so last era we had two big PPV stars (Pac & Floyd) and this era we have two big PPV draws (Joshua & Canelo) you live in the UK and know just how big of a star Joshua is he's bigger than any star in the UFC in the UK including McGregor he's in google adverts, Lynx Adverts he's constantly on TV and after him Fury is the second biggest.

Joshuas biggest drawing PPV did 600k less buys than Conor/Khabib even though it was sold for less than half the price, his last fight did 950k at a £25 price tag which would is the equivalent of a UFC doing less than 500k. Conor has 3 (soon to be 4) different fights that outdrew the bigger Canelo/GGG fight and two more that matched it, in fact Conor/Khabib did as many buys as both Canelo/GGG fights combined, and obviously Conor/Floyd did roughly double the buys of Canelo/Floyd too.

Yes, AJ and Fury are bigger than Conor in the UK, of course. But the UK is one medium sized island country. I wouldnt even say they are bigger than Conor in the rest of Europe tbh. And Canelo isnt a "global" PPV star either, hes a Latin America star and honestly its not like he was a monster draw anyway, outside of the Floyd fight (who doesnt draw against Floyd?) he broke a million buys 3 times in 8 fights. Floyd and even Pac were just on a completely different level of drawing power to any current boxers.

And no, boxing is not much bigger globally, you just have an inflated sense of how big boxing is, its much closer than you'd like to think. Most countries dont have much of a domestic scene for either, but if someone is gonna watch international fights they're probably gonna be watching the UFC over some Top Rank or Matchroom card.

[man down]

And Trump will be at tonight's fight. Can't wait for the numbers.

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[Brother Mouzone]

I watch enjoy and support all 3 : Boxing, MMA & Wrastlin' ...............

[sicko]

With the Link Provided of the list of All Time Best Selling PPV...

3. Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Conor McGregor — 2.5 million PPV buys

You basically proved that UFC is indeed now just as popular if not MORE POPULAR than Boxing. Mind you UFC/MMA has not been around as long as Boxing and the fact that McGregor is part of 2 of the Top 3 All Time PPV Records is very impressive and it does show that yes MMA is not only on the right track but it has become the most popular Combat Sport in America yes even over Boxing!

Hey Boxing Fans...stop worrying about MMA and MMA Fans and focus on being BETTER FANS! Boxing Fans are Fickle, Disrespectful, Disloyal to its own fighters yet these same fans want to try and complain about MMA Ironically enough when all they do daily is bash the sport and the boxers but yet want to turn around and DEFEND Boxing against MMA.

Boxing ONLY does well when Casuals are interested in the fight, Boxing cannot survive with just the Support Of Hardcore Boxing fans because not only is it not many of us but the Hardcore Boxing Fans tend to be most Fickle and B%tchy as seen on this forum Daily. So now you have fighters and promoters who feel like "To Hell With The Hardcore's" because it is really no pleasing some of us. I don't see this among MMA Fans!

You Notice it is a ZERO Boxing Events tonight right? Why? Exactly!
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GBP had to put their Card on Friday to avoid trying to go Head To Head with UFC/McGregor

[moochi]

Boxing is a business disguised as a sport. It's only gotten worse with social media and that's the narrative they are now playing (you may get certain stars who are built off casual fans or their nationality, e.g. Mexican).

Look at Tank, he is being taken down the perfectly executed business plan. He will make a lot of money (the fans are 95% casuals, so that will grow). Full credit to the business side.

Look at Canelo, very similar, ginger hair Mexican, great fighter, has lost several fights against top competition (but gets the official decision), proven drug cheat, but as the narrative says, its about casuals wanting their fighter just to win (don't care if they really should have lost the official decision).

Daniel Dubois coming off a KO loss and then fights for a World Title against a guy who is probably 30-40th best in world.

Jean Pascal is a World Champion apparently, and he's probably a top 20-25 fighter in the world, at best. That guy Tank fought, i had never heard of him..list goes on, lol Fielding just came to mind as well, so as you can see we become to know of these guys when they appear to suit the narrative, so thats the narrative of where boxing is going.

Boxing is a business disguised as a sport.


UFC is a sport and a league, you tune in , week in week out and you are guaranteed to see the best fight the best as it's a league of players effectively. This will only grow. It's not too dissimilar to the other USA sports, where you only really have one league.

UFC will have controversy from time to time, but in general they run a set of standards and quite simple have transitioned into a sporting league with regular scheduled activities and programs.

So UFC and boxing are very different. But if anybody was to seriously think that the two can be compared, I would say that the gap is only widening. Boxing will always be around, but the reality is, UFC is MILES ahead, and only getting bigger. if you think otherwise, just look at the facts and results of the UFC mothership and how it continues to build content, subscriptions, sponsorships, programs, etc. Conor took them to a new level and pretty much doubled every fighters salary, would be good to see them get another double increase as well.

This is the reason why Eddie Hearn is trying to create an exact model of the UFC.