Comments Thread For: Wilder: Whyte Ain't Nothing But **** To My Toilet Paper, The Scum Between My Toes

[Zelda]

Whyte ducked Ruiz now too? Ruiz was the one who ducked because he didn't want to fight anyone dangerous after a defeat. He was offered 4 Mill, but turned it down. He then tried to play slight of hand when Whyte said he was offered 5 mill. He claimed it was a lie and they "Low balled" him. Hearn then said he'd offer him the 5 Mill then. Ruiz then went quiet. Ruiz even after the pathetic performance against a long time shot fighter tried to get out of the arranged fight with Ortiz afterwards. But it seems back on now. Haymon obviously told him what he's going to do. That is fighting Ortiz.

But good luck in your made up fantasy version of events. But hey, it's an American thing. Detached from reality in a very scary way. But that's what i expect delusional cowards to do.

Enjoy.

Never said Whyte ducked Ruiz.

He just ducked Ortiz. I said he was offered the Ruiz fight, meaning the AJ vs Ruiz fight was first offered to Whyte which he refused. Only then it went to Miller who tested positive, and later landed with Ruiz.

[Sid-Knee]

Sid, your being daft... One is really not better than another... You know that is what I am saying. Yes Arum is more of a piece of crap because he has been doing it longer... But these ovueres to Eddie, as being a poor, sincere, man of the people... just trying to do right by his fighter... tricked by the evil Arum... who promised him the arbitration was no issue...

If you are buying that? you have problems of your own... Im going to go out on a limb here and say you probably know better and have the common sense to understand that maybe, hiring a lawyer at Ed's ambulance chasers inc, MIGHT not have the resources to know about legal procedures... BUT a promoter with millions of dollars? with no legal staff to inform him "Hey Eddie, you better be aware that arbitration could be a problem" Really? Come on now... Is that your position? Im hoping it is not...

So you believe Eddie didn't really want the Fury fight, and never intended to fight Wilder, even though they jumped through a shlt ton of hoops and offered a stinking amount of money and rematch clauses to go alongside the fight being in the US?

Preposterous. Wilder is a coward to his core who doesn't want anyone dangerous. He's only in against Fury because it all backfired with him being 50% the first time. Then you add in all his lies, delusions and contradictions, and you've got someone who is clearly beyond warped in the mind. He's the laughing stock of the boxing world. Maybe look how others outside of your country see him. His fraud has caught up with him big time.

Fury didn't want AJ until after the Wilder rematch as he said he wasn't ready for the fight. It was said on camera when Eddie offered him fights before he would have the AJ fight. I was cool with that as i don't want the boxing public to be ripped off with an unprepared Fury. But now Fury is ready, Eddie went all out to get the fight. He trusted a lawyer in Arum thinking he too wanted the fight. But he was playing games all along. Eddie isn't going to put all that work in for nothing, and then get on the wrong side of those in the Middle East and scupper any future fights there because nutters once again have a f3cked up agenda.

You can't give me any evidence to your accusations. None on this board can. But i know why they slander him. They're desperate to shut Eddie down because he keeps on offering huge money for big fights to cowards who don't want them. With Eddie constantly exposing them and pushing their backs against the wall, they need to create a narrative. The usual one that comes from your country. Thing is, you're not very good at it because every one has been brutally dissected and pulled apart for the public to have a real good laugh at.

It's not my fault or anyone else's that your country produces nothing but cowards who can't even hide the fact they're scared. They're so pathetic for words it's embarrassing. Just listen to all the mad shlt Charlo is coming out with. Poor things have no self-awareness to how ****** they sound and come across. They contradict themselves every sentence and put road blocks down more than the f3cking council do. Trying to defend them is futile. They either want to fight or they don't. And it's clear to anyone who isn't a raving looney to what the answer clearly is. That answer is right in front of you every time they're ****** enough to open their mouths. Repeatedly with embarrassing results.

Eddie has no problem making the big fights and taking big risks. He does however have big problems with the opposition accepting the fights. Huge. But then again, so does everyone trying to get their hands on absolute cowards.

[Sid-Knee]

Never said Whyte ducked Ruiz.

He just ducked Ortiz. I said he was offered the Ruiz fight, meaning the AJ vs Ruiz fight was first offered to Whyte which he refused. Only then it went to Miller who tested positive, and later landed with Ruiz.

You said Whyte was offered the Ruiz fight, and refused. No he didn't. It was Ruiz who refused. But i'm sure you've checked out the recent situation to realise you're horribly wrong.

All you need to do now is check the Whyte/Ortiz situation out to see you're also wrong there. It's actually very easy to find. You're on the internet. Ortiz and their side refused, claiming they wouldn't be ready on said date, only to then fight on said date.

Ortiz and wilder fight chumps their whole career for a reason. If they fight the top fighters, their narrative gets brutally exposed. But it already has. The ones that matter know the truth. The cowards and the delusional who can't bare for people to see them for what they are, are the people lying and contradicting themselves all the time. It's f3cking boring. Ortiz has had a chance to fight Whyte, and two chances against AJ. He ran from all 3 opportunities. That's on him. If you want to try and defend that for what ever agenda, you've failed. Look beyond the freak show of forums which is filled with mostly Americans to see how they feel about you all. You're the laughing stock. Creepy, deranged, cowardly, delusional, corrupt and f3cking warped.

You can't protect your cowards and those you think make you look good. They can't even protect themselves. They're far too f3cking ****** to.

"Your King is here". Say no more.

[Inspired]

Yeah, Hearn had nothing to do with the $50 million but wanted to insert himself right in the middle of it. The deal was between Joshua and Wilder's team. That's it. $50 million against 50% guaranteed.

Simple.

No flat fee.
Percentage.
50/50.

Joshua already said he was honored by it, it was real and he would have gotten about half of it.

I agree that the rematch clause may not have been included. Maybe it was added later? Who knows...

The bottom line is it was rejected and undisputed was lost in the ensuing drama.

'wanted to insert himself'
AJ was contractually obliged to fight for matchroom. he's always had an exclusive deal.

the fact is Frank Warren vs bsing to tarnish AJ's reputation and hype of Fury-Wilder. Finkle was agreeing like 'yeh yeh that is wut happinneded'.
'perhaps they added it later'
no mate, if they did, they would have announced a global press tour to tell the whole world.
They kept it all hush hush when they were trying to land joshua in legal problems. Simple.

plus aj said quite simply that the offer was 'real' but he tabled his contractual obligations to their side. he basically told em
'it has to be on sky sports, it has to inc my sponsors'
and that is when team finkle realised 'oh crap'.

it is deceptive for anyone to keep on referring to a contradictory offer like that.


The issue you need to be fixated on, is that Finkle publically accepted $15m later and Eddie Hearn specifically had argued that their 50m was all smokes and mirrors because they basically wanted team aj to make a bigger offer. So anyway, 15m offer accepted.

'send us the contract and we'll sign it'

2 weeks later...i kid you not, 2 whole weeks later
they come out with this..

'IT IS NOT REAL IT DOESNT HAVE AJ'S SIGNATURE'
they could have said this within a day of receipt. likewise team aj pointed out that aj never signs the contracts directly, it's always through 258 management. So you can see here quite clearly that wilder's side were delaying and creating excuses.

then they waited for long enough..for the Canelo-GGG fight to get announced for mid-september, they had inside knowledge from espinoza. it was planned. clearly.
The ensuing fall out is down to them delaying for as long as possible, then waiting for canelo-ggg to clash, then forcing eddie/aj to move the booked wembley date to october which is not possible when it rains in this country from october. (literally for quite a while, we have a nice late english summer, it rains all august then it's beautiful in september, then it's raining and miserable until april the next yr). So Eddie had stated that they would book Cardiff's Principality stadium which has a closing roof and 80k capacity (where they did the Parker fight).
think about that?
that was more than reasonable.

the other thing about the rematch clause, why did they previously accept and say 'waiting for aj's sig' only to late say 'no rematch clause'?

THEY NEVER WERE SERIOUS FFS, THEY PLANNED THIS.

and likewise months later Wilder literally says this
'they said they would only do it in wembley, then with me, they decided to change it...saying they cant do wembley anymore (as i said this was down to canelo-ggg and wilder's side had inside info and delayed for as long as possible till that fight got signed, it had nothing to do with aj/hearn).
but then they did povetkin there so they liars' (povetkin was not a ppv/superfight on showtime so once the wilder fight fell through aj decided to go back to wembley which he'd paid the deposit on.


explain to me why you're failing to even acknowledge any negative side of team wilder when they delayed, kept changing their arguments, had inside knowledge of canelo-ggg ie that it would clash and force a change in date/venue as perfect cannon fodder to duck.

if all of that wasnt enough...first he rejects $100m from dazn. Then a week before AJ-Ruiz (and fair enough aj lost), Wilder decided 'nope, im fighting ortiz' and signed that? wtf, he had no reason to do that. he would have waited for aj if he was serious and chased that fight with the assumption that aj would beat ruiz.


do Canelo's opponents demand percentages or are they offered a flat sum?
smith, bjs, kovalev, danny jacobs?

Wilder's not a superstar man. he isnt a draw. networks spent $20m with superbowel weekend ads that generated 300m views..and it still only did 800k ppv buys in america.

look at what Marquez vs Bradley did
Ward vs Kovalev 2 did 750k ppv buys on hbo and that too without $20m promoting it. Also remember Fury went to the wwe and raised his profile so a lot of people tuned in for him.

wilder was never worth that $100m, he was so lucky to get such an offer but he got greedy and wanted more.

[billeau2]

1) So you believe Eddie didn't really want the Fury fight, and never intended to fight Wilder, even though they jumped through a shlt ton of hoops and offered a stinking amount of money and rematch clauses to go alongside the fight being in the US?

2) Preposterous. Wilder is a coward to his core who doesn't want anyone dangerous. He's only in against Fury because it all backfired with him being 50% the first time. Then you add in all his lies, delusions and contradictions, and you've got someone who is clearly beyond warped in the mind. He's the laughing stock of the boxing world. Maybe look how others outside of your country see him. His fraud has caught up with him big time.

3)Fury didn't want AJ until after the Wilder rematch as he said he wasn't ready for the fight. It was said on camera when Eddie offered him fights before he would have the AJ fight. I was cool with that as i don't want the boxing public to be ripped off with an unprepared Fury. But now Fury is ready, Eddie went all out to get the fight. He trusted a lawyer in Arum thinking he too wanted the fight. But he was playing games all along. Eddie isn't going to put all that work in for nothing, and then get on the wrong side of those in the Middle East and scupper any future fights there because nutters once again have a f3cked up agenda.

4) You can't give me any evidence to your accusations. None on this board can. But i know why they slander him. They're desperate to shut Eddie down because he keeps on offering huge money for big fights to cowards who don't want them. With Eddie constantly exposing them and pushing their backs against the wall, they need to create a narrative. The usual one that comes from your country. Thing is, you're not very good at it because every one has been brutally dissected and pulled apart for the public to have a real good laugh at.

It's not my fault or anyone else's that your country produces nothing but cowards who can't even hide the fact they're scared. They're so pathetic for words it's embarrassing. Just listen to all the mad shlt Charlo is coming out with. Poor things have no self-awareness to how ****** they sound and come across. They contradict themselves every sentence and put road blocks down more than the f3cking council do. Trying to defend them is futile. They either want to fight or they don't. And it's clear to anyone who isn't a raving looney to what the answer clearly is. That answer is right in front of you every time they're ****** enough to open their mouths. Repeatedly with embarrassing results.

Eddie has no problem making the big fights and taking big risks. He does however have big problems with the opposition accepting the fights. Huge. But then again, so does everyone trying to get their hands on absolute cowards.

Numbers show the corresponding reply...

1. Eddie wanted it, and knew there was a chance of it happening... Everyone involved did... Actually IMO at the time Fury was the most honest about the process. Does not mean one does not understand the possibility of a Snafu! Then the Snafu happens and the world we live in? Nobody will say "well I always understood the arbitration might have derailed this fight, and I take responsability for not disclosing this" No! you blame the other guy for something you had to know.

2. You jumped to Wilder... Your making a statement about his character... You and I have one thing in common at least, that being we have never met the guy. To me this means I have no grounds to argue this point. I don't pretend to know what Wilder is like.

3. Baloney! Eddie had to know of this possability! EVEN when you trust you verify! Even if he DID "Trust" Satanic Bob... He would have to be an idiot not to have his people check in and get the dope on what the arbitration might look like. EVEN if Eddie had said "This arbitration Judge was shiat! Arum AND my sources figured out his ruling was preposterous" I would give a pass. But there is no way hearn trusted Arum and did not verify probability regarding the hearing via his own sources... If he did trust Arum he is an idiot, and if he didn't then he is also playing to the crowd.

4. The evidence is in having done negotiations. It is in logical thinking. It is understanding the kind of depth there has to be when soliciting investors for that kind of capitol. You don't think the Saudi investors asked Eddie to look in at the Arbitration? So Sid... you need to grow up a bit. Its nothing personal about people in a country, or cowardice. Its BUSINESS. hearn and Arum both depend on a public image. they manage their affairs accordingly. There is not coalition of Americans who want a title here, as opposed to anywhere else. Where is your evidence of such? You take things personally regarding promoters that are focused on self interest and their fighters exclusively.

There are no good guys here lol. There are no guys invested in the betterment of boxing, the british fans, the American fans, anymore than corporations that go to China to manufacture because it is cheaper than America, the land that birthed, nurtured their business, and the people that buy the product/service.

You cannot logically expect anyone to believe that hearn was so blind that he trusted another promoter with different self interests, managing the interests of a different fighter. Its an either or situation Sid: Either hearn is an absolute moron, Or, Hearn is lying about not being aware of the possibility that the arbitration would cancel the fight.

[Zelda]

You said Whyte was offered the Ruiz fight, and refused. No he didn't. It was Ruiz who refused. But i'm sure you've checked out the recent situation to realise you're horribly wrong.

All you need to do now is check the Whyte/Ortiz situation out to see you're also wrong there. It's actually very easy to find. You're on the internet. Ortiz and their side refused, claiming they wouldn't be ready on said date, only to then fight on said date.

Ortiz and wilder fight chumps their whole career for a reason. If they fight the top fighters, their narrative gets brutally exposed. But it already has. The ones that matter know the truth. The cowards and the delusional who can't bare for people to see them for what they are, are the people lying and contradicting themselves all the time. It's f3cking boring. Ortiz has had a chance to fight Whyte, and two chances against AJ. He ran from all 3 opportunities. That's on him. If you want to try and defend that for what ever agenda, you've failed. Look beyond the freak show of forums which is filled with mostly Americans to see how they feel about you all. You're the laughing stock. Creepy, deranged, cowardly, delusional, corrupt and f3cking warped.

You can't protect your cowards and those you think make you look good. They can't even protect themselves. They're far too f3cking ****** to.

"Your King is here". Say no more.

Yes, Whyte was offered the fight which ultimately landed with Ruiz. Whyte refused and AJ wanted to go fight in the US. Are you dis*****g that? If you got me wrong the first time, it is OK but I clarified that so no excuse for the repeated statement. Whyte did refuse to fight Joshua, didn't he? Whyte ducked Ortiz...that is a fact. Because that fight was ordered by the WBC. In other cases, you can always play with offers, timings, etc.

Forget the past, let's see who Whyte fights next. Does he take on Ortiz or Ruiz or Joyce or does he fight a bum? Does he rematch Parker?

It will be clear soon. Whatever the American fans do, they don't come close to delusional Brits who worship Eddie Hearn and his fighters no matter what. I don't "protect" no one. I have appreciated and criticized all these boxers when I think what they do is right or wrong...be it Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Whyte, or whoever.

[billeau2]

Yes, Whyte was offered the fight which ultimately landed with Ruiz. Whyte refused and AJ wanted to go fight in the US. Are you dis*****g that? If you got me wrong the first time, it is OK but I clarified that so no excuse for the repeated statement. Whyte did refuse to fight Joshua, didn't he? Whyte ducked Ortiz...that is a fact. Because that fight was ordered by the WBC. In other cases, you can always play with offers, timings, etc.

Forget the past, let's see who Whyte fights next. Does he take on Ortiz or Ruiz or Joyce or does he fight a bum? Does he rematch Parker?

It will be clear soon. Whatever the American fans do, they don't come close to delusional Brits who worship Eddie Hearn and his fighters no matter what. I don't "protect" no one. I have appreciated and criticized all these boxers when I think what they do is right or wrong...be it Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Whyte, or whoever.

I think it was very interesting when Fury was interviewed. I know Fury will entertain, he will tell tall tales, etc. But there are times he makes a face and speaks candidly. How do I know this? What he says makes sense, and... as I used to try to explain to Redeemer, there was no motivation to lie. Fury when asked about the Joshua fight had said that it did not seem feasable. he went on to say that he had no knowledge of what would happen next, his somewhat exact words paraphrased were something to the effect of "I pay lawyers a lot of money to figure this stuff out." fury had no reason to lie here. I tried to explain this many times here... what benefit would it have been for Fury to make a claim that was untrue on fighting his next fight?

In effect, the Fury family, who seem to have common sense, reasoned out that to get the fight made with Joshua on time would be prohibitive. BUT the BIG difference here is the Furys have a legitimate excuse to believe Arum. Arum is their fiduciary and is an agent for their interests. Hearn had no such relationship to Arum. Joshua is his interest. Yet people buy this notion that hearn is getting his information from a competing promoter... In real estate in states where an agent can represent both seller and buyer, it has to be made clear on the contract. There is no logical reason that hearn could claim Arum misled him. Heres more proof: Why not sue Arum? because he can't.

[billeau2]

So you believe Eddie didn't really want the Fury fight, and never intended to fight Wilder, even though they jumped through a shlt ton of hoops and offered a stinking amount of money and rematch clauses to go alongside the fight being in the US?

Preposterous. Wilder is a coward to his core who doesn't want anyone dangerous. He's only in against Fury because it all backfired with him being 50% the first time. Then you add in all his lies, delusions and contradictions, and you've got someone who is clearly beyond warped in the mind. He's the laughing stock of the boxing world. Maybe look how others outside of your country see him. His fraud has caught up with him big time.

Fury didn't want AJ until after the Wilder rematch as he said he wasn't ready for the fight. It was said on camera when Eddie offered him fights before he would have the AJ fight. I was cool with that as i don't want the boxing public to be ripped off with an unprepared Fury. But now Fury is ready, Eddie went all out to get the fight. He trusted a lawyer in Arum thinking he too wanted the fight. But he was playing games all along. Eddie isn't going to put all that work in for nothing, and then get on the wrong side of those in the Middle East and scupper any future fights there because nutters once again have a f3cked up agenda.

You can't give me any evidence to your accusations. None on this board can. But i know why they slander him. They're desperate to shut Eddie down because he keeps on offering huge money for big fights to cowards who don't want them. With Eddie constantly exposing them and pushing their backs against the wall, they need to create a narrative. The usual one that comes from your country. Thing is, you're not very good at it because every one has been brutally dissected and pulled apart for the public to have a real good laugh at.

It's not my fault or anyone else's that your country produces nothing but cowards who can't even hide the fact they're scared. They're so pathetic for words it's embarrassing. Just listen to all the mad shlt Charlo is coming out with. Poor things have no self-awareness to how ****** they sound and come across. They contradict themselves every sentence and put road blocks down more than the f3cking council do. Trying to defend them is futile. They either want to fight or they don't. And it's clear to anyone who isn't a raving looney to what the answer clearly is. That answer is right in front of you every time they're ****** enough to open their mouths. Repeatedly with embarrassing results.

Eddie has no problem making the big fights and taking big risks. He does however have big problems with the opposition accepting the fights. Huge. But then again, so does everyone trying to get their hands on absolute cowards.

Sid one final thing to consider here:

lets say Arum misrepresented a material fact to hearn regarding a provision between the two... in an oral contract between them. If this were so hearn could sue Arum couldn't he? If hearn lost money of investors, lost reputation that translated to money and prestige, because of Arum, He would have sued Arum! Think about it. He didn't sue Arum because he cannot. He cannot sue Arum because it was not Arum's responsability to verify anything about the arbitration. This should make sense to you, if it doesn't I tried...

[davefromvancouv]

'wanted to insert himself'
AJ was contractually obliged to fight for matchroom. he's always had an exclusive deal.

the fact is Frank Warren vs bsing to tarnish AJ's reputation and hype of Fury-Wilder. Finkle was agreeing like 'yeh yeh that is wut happinneded'.
'perhaps they added it later'
no mate, if they did, they would have announced a global press tour to tell the whole world.
They kept it all hush hush when they were trying to land joshua in legal problems. Simple.

plus aj said quite simply that the offer was 'real' but he tabled his contractual obligations to their side. he basically told em
'it has to be on sky sports, it has to inc my sponsors'
and that is when team finkle realised 'oh crap'.

it is deceptive for anyone to keep on referring to a contradictory offer like that.


The issue you need to be fixated on, is that Finkle publically accepted $15m later and Eddie Hearn specifically had argued that their 50m was all smokes and mirrors because they basically wanted team aj to make a bigger offer. So anyway, 15m offer accepted.

'send us the contract and we'll sign it'

2 weeks later...i kid you not, 2 whole weeks later
they come out with this..

'IT IS NOT REAL IT DOESNT HAVE AJ'S SIGNATURE'
they could have said this within a day of receipt. likewise team aj pointed out that aj never signs the contracts directly, it's always through 258 management. So you can see here quite clearly that wilder's side were delaying and creating excuses.

then they waited for long enough..for the Canelo-GGG fight to get announced for mid-september, they had inside knowledge from espinoza. it was planned. clearly.
The ensuing fall out is down to them delaying for as long as possible, then waiting for canelo-ggg to clash, then forcing eddie/aj to move the booked wembley date to october which is not possible when it rains in this country from october. (literally for quite a while, we have a nice late english summer, it rains all august then it's beautiful in september, then it's raining and miserable until april the next yr). So Eddie had stated that they would book Cardiff's Principality stadium which has a closing roof and 80k capacity (where they did the Parker fight).
think about that?
that was more than reasonable.

the other thing about the rematch clause, why did they previously accept and say 'waiting for aj's sig' only to late say 'no rematch clause'?

THEY NEVER WERE SERIOUS FFS, THEY PLANNED THIS.

and likewise months later Wilder literally says this
'they said they would only do it in wembley, then with me, they decided to change it...saying they cant do wembley anymore (as i said this was down to canelo-ggg and wilder's side had inside info and delayed for as long as possible till that fight got signed, it had nothing to do with aj/hearn).
but then they did povetkin there so they liars' (povetkin was not a ppv/superfight on showtime so once the wilder fight fell through aj decided to go back to wembley which he'd paid the deposit on.


explain to me why you're failing to even acknowledge any negative side of team wilder when they delayed, kept changing their arguments, had inside knowledge of canelo-ggg ie that it would clash and force a change in date/venue as perfect cannon fodder to duck.

if all of that wasnt enough...first he rejects $100m from dazn. Then a week before AJ-Ruiz (and fair enough aj lost), Wilder decided 'nope, im fighting ortiz' and signed that? wtf, he had no reason to do that. he would have waited for aj if he was serious and chased that fight with the assumption that aj would beat ruiz.


do Canelo's opponents demand percentages or are they offered a flat sum?
smith, bjs, kovalev, danny jacobs?

Wilder's not a superstar man. he isnt a draw. networks spent $20m with superbowel weekend ads that generated 300m views..and it still only did 800k ppv buys in america.

look at what Marquez vs Bradley did
Ward vs Kovalev 2 did 750k ppv buys on hbo and that too without $20m promoting it. Also remember Fury went to the wwe and raised his profile so a lot of people tuned in for him.

wilder was never worth that $100m, he was so lucky to get such an offer but he got greedy and wanted more.

On July 24th, Wilder will be two-time WBC champion and the new RING/lineal champion of the world. At that point, Joshua is going to have to make a decision: fight or flight?

Will the Usyk mandatory be made official right then and there, or will Usyk be given step aside to make way for undisputed, 50/50, 60/40 rematch?

Exciting times ahead in the heavyweight division...

[Inspired]

On July 24th, Wilder will be two-time WBC champion and the new RING/lineal champion of the world. At that point, Joshua is going to have to make a decision: fight or flight?

Will the Usyk mandatory be made official right then and there, or will Usyk be given step aside to make way for undisputed, 50/50, 60/40 rematch?

Exciting times ahead in the heavyweight division...

ive proven that wilder ducked aj...so now you're deflecting.