Comments Thread For: Wilder: Whyte Ain't Nothing But **** To My Toilet Paper, The Scum Between My Toes

[davefromvancouv]

ive proven that wilder ducked aj...so now you're deflecting.

You didn't prove anything. Your arguments were based on Hearn's accounts of the negotiations, and my arguments were based on what Joshua actually said and Finkel's accounts. I also have DiBella's account and Espinoza's account of how Hearn twisted the facts, but I lost interest.

Wilder-Fury 3 is happening. Wilder won arbitration and everybody who tried to cheat him out of his contractually obligated rematch failed. Everybody who supported the attempted steal is pissed and is concerned for Fury and Joshua because Wilder is going to knock them both out with a vengeance.

[Sid-Knee]

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1. Eddie wanted it, and knew there was a chance of it happening... Everyone involved did... Actually IMO at the time Fury was the most honest about the process. Does not mean one does not understand the possibility of a Snafu! Then the Snafu happens and the world we live in? Nobody will say "well I always understood the arbitration might have derailed this fight, and I take responsability for not disclosing this" No! you blame the other guy for something you had to know.

2. You jumped to Wilder... Your making a statement about his character... You and I have one thing in common at least, that being we have never met the guy. To me this means I have no grounds to argue this point. I don't pretend to know what Wilder is like.

3. Baloney! Eddie had to know of this possability! EVEN when you trust you verify! Even if he DID "Trust" Satanic Bob... He would have to be an idiot not to have his people check in and get the dope on what the arbitration might look like. EVEN if Eddie had said "This arbitration Judge was shiat! Arum AND my sources figured out his ruling was preposterous" I would give a pass. But there is no way hearn trusted Arum and did not verify probability regarding the hearing via his own sources... If he did trust Arum he is an idiot, and if he didn't then he is also playing to the crowd.

4. The evidence is in having done negotiations. It is in logical thinking. It is understanding the kind of depth there has to be when soliciting investors for that kind of capitol. You don't think the Saudi investors asked Eddie to look in at the Arbitration? So Sid... you need to grow up a bit. Its nothing personal about people in a country, or cowardice. Its BUSINESS. hearn and Arum both depend on a public image. they manage their affairs accordingly. There is not coalition of Americans who want a title here, as opposed to anywhere else. Where is your evidence of such? You take things personally regarding promoters that are focused on self interest and their fighters exclusively.

There are no good guys here lol. There are no guys invested in the betterment of boxing, the british fans, the American fans, anymore than corporations that go to China to manufacture because it is cheaper than America, the land that birthed, nurtured their business, and the people that buy the product/service.

You cannot logically expect anyone to believe that hearn was so blind that he trusted another promoter with different self interests, managing the interests of a different fighter. Its an either or situation Sid: Either hearn is an absolute moron, Or, Hearn is lying about not being aware of the possibility that the arbitration would cancel the fight.

Eddie in his own mind thought that enough time without them making the fight had void the contract. Then you add in the opponents promoter being a lawyer saying the fight isn't happening now because it's void, then yeah, he trusted them. Of course it was ****** considering how Bob makes comments towards Eddie, but this was THE FIGHT to make with all the money in the world. He didn't think Bob was mad enough to scupper it. He knows different now though.

Wait, you can make comments on Eddie that aren't true and have no evidence to the accusations, but we can't make comment on an extremist who is guilty with all the evidence stacking up high? Not only have you contradicted yourself, but it's laughable to make claim we can't comment on things that are actually factual.

All the offers to Wilder for AJ and Whyte were legit as well. To even suggest they weren't, is f3cking insane. That is too mad.

[Sid-Knee]

Yes, Whyte was offered the fight which ultimately landed with Ruiz. Whyte refused and AJ wanted to go fight in the US. Are you dis*****g that? If you got me wrong the first time, it is OK but I clarified that so no excuse for the repeated statement. Whyte did refuse to fight Joshua, didn't he? Whyte ducked Ortiz...that is a fact. Because that fight was ordered by the WBC. In other cases, you can always play with offers, timings, etc.

Forget the past, let's see who Whyte fights next. Does he take on Ortiz or Ruiz or Joyce or does he fight a bum? Does he rematch Parker?

It will be clear soon. Whatever the American fans do, they don't come close to delusional Brits who worship Eddie Hearn and his fighters no matter what. I don't "protect" no one. I have appreciated and criticized all these boxers when I think what they do is right or wrong...be it Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Whyte, or whoever.

Whyte did duck AJ. But that's different to saying he ducked Ruiz and Ortiz, which isn't true.

How can it be a fact with Whyte ducking Ortiz when it didn't happen? Whyte was offered the Ortiz fight for mandatory even though he'd just been sparked out by Wilder the first time. He knew Wilder and Haymon were trying to keep him away from Wilder. But he was willing to take the fight just as long as Wilder guaranteed he'd get the shot next should he win. Wilder sent him a text and told him he'd make him wait 2 years if he became mandatory. So Whyte at first told them to f3ck themselves. But after a while, he said f3ck it, i'll take the Ortiz fight. But Ortiz and his side then said they wouldn't be ready due to the date. Ortiz then goes and fights on said date.

If the fight was ordered by the WBC, and Whyte refused to take it, the WBC by law can remove him from the rankings. Did they do that, even with Haymon paying them to keep Whyte away from Wilder? Of course not, because Whyte didn't refuse the shot. Ortiz did. Ortiz knew he'd get a shot anyway with him being with PBC and Wilder wanting to take up fights with a fake narrative about him being the "Boogieman" and having to put "Things right" due to the controversy of the first fight. The WBC are in bed with haymon and working with him like they did with Don King, so they weren't going to take Ortiz out of the rankings for refusing the fight. They tried that with Whyte as one of their ways of keeping him away from the coward. Didn't go to plan did it?

Ruiz and Ortiz are fighting next, so of course it isn't going to be either of them. Parker is taking the Chisora rematch. Do you even keep up with things? It appears you don't. Joyce offers him nothing at this point.

The American fanatics don't come close to the delusion of the Brits??? You just proved your delusion with that piece of hilarious irony. You're just too detached to be aware of it. Haha.

Nobody worships Eddie Hearn. You clowns just made that claim to try and paint one of your usual pictures. Al Haymon however, is very much worshiped by a large group of Black Americans. To the point of insanity even. Now that is worship. F3cking creepy is what it is. But it's still typical American behaviour. You just have to find the object of their affection.

[Sid-Knee]

I think it was very interesting when Fury was interviewed. I know Fury will entertain, he will tell tall tales, etc. But there are times he makes a face and speaks candidly. How do I know this? What he says makes sense, and... as I used to try to explain to Redeemer, there was no motivation to lie. Fury when asked about the Joshua fight had said that it did not seem feasable. he went on to say that he had no knowledge of what would happen next, his somewhat exact words paraphrased were something to the effect of "I pay lawyers a lot of money to figure this stuff out." fury had no reason to lie here. I tried to explain this many times here... what benefit would it have been for Fury to make a claim that was untrue on fighting his next fight?

In effect, the Fury family, who seem to have common sense, reasoned out that to get the fight made with Joshua on time would be prohibitive. BUT the BIG difference here is the Furys have a legitimate excuse to believe Arum. Arum is their fiduciary and is an agent for their interests. Hearn had no such relationship to Arum. Joshua is his interest. Yet people buy this notion that hearn is getting his information from a competing promoter... In real estate in states where an agent can represent both seller and buyer, it has to be made clear on the contract. There is no logical reason that hearn could claim Arum misled him. Heres more proof: Why not sue Arum? because he can't.

For the record, Fury is a pathological liar the same way Deontay is. Anyone believing them and their constant contradictions is automatically removed from logical conversation.

[Sid-Knee]

Sid one final thing to consider here:

lets say Arum misrepresented a material fact to hearn regarding a provision between the two... in an oral contract between them. If this were so hearn could sue Arum couldn't he? If hearn lost money of investors, lost reputation that translated to money and prestige, because of Arum, He would have sued Arum! Think about it. He didn't sue Arum because he cannot. He cannot sue Arum because it was not Arum's responsability to verify anything about the arbitration. This should make sense to you, if it doesn't I tried...

You think Eddie is going to take Arum to court over them verbally agreeing on the fight and what not? No, he isn't. He's got far too much going on to waste his time on shlt like that. He'll just chalk it down as a lesson learned. He knew Arum had it bad when it came to him, but not this bad. He won't make that mistake again.

[Zelda]

Whyte did duck AJ. But that's different to saying he ducked Ruiz and Ortiz, which isn't true.

How can it be a fact with Whyte ducking Ortiz when it didn't happen? Whyte was offered the Ortiz fight for mandatory even though he'd just been sparked out by Wilder the first time. He knew Wilder and Haymon were trying to keep him away from Wilder. But he was willing to take the fight just as long as Wilder guaranteed he'd get the shot next should he win. Wilder sent him a text and told him he'd make him wait 2 years if he became mandatory. So Whyte at first told them to f3ck themselves. But after a while, he said f3ck it, i'll take the Ortiz fight. But Ortiz and his side then said they wouldn't be ready due to the date. Ortiz then goes and fights on said date.

If the fight was ordered by the WBC, and Whyte refused to take it, the WBC by law can remove him from the rankings. Did they do that, even with Haymon paying them to keep Whyte away from Wilder? Of course not, because Whyte didn't refuse the shot. Ortiz did. Ortiz knew he'd get a shot anyway with him being with PBC and Wilder wanting to take up fights with a fake narrative about him being the "Boogieman" and having to put "Things right" due to the controversy of the first fight. The WBC are in bed with haymon and working with him like they did with Don King, so they weren't going to take Ortiz out of the rankings for refusing the fight. They tried that with Whyte as one of their ways of keeping him away from the coward. Didn't go to plan did it?

Ruiz and Ortiz are fighting next, so of course it isn't going to be either of them. Parker is taking the Chisora rematch. Do you even keep up with things? It appears you don't. Joyce offers him nothing at this point.

The American fanatics don't come close to the delusion of the Brits??? You just proved your delusion with that piece of hilarious irony. You're just too detached to be aware of it. Haha.

Nobody worships Eddie Hearn. You clowns just made that claim to try and paint one of your usual pictures. Al Haymon however, is very much worshiped by a large group of Black Americans. To the point of insanity even. Now that is worship. F3cking creepy is what it is. But it's still typical American behavior. You just have to find the object of their affection.

Regarding the Ortiz fight, Whyte refused and Eddie said he planned to appeal because the Whyte-Ortiz was for the second mandatory behind Breazeale, not because Ortiz refused. Whyte/Hearn decided not to take that fight. Ortiz had asked for the fight on the Wilder-Fury undercard. When Whyte refused, Ortiz offered to fly to the UK and fight him there in December. Whyte again refused and went on to fight Chisora.

You said that if Whyte had refused an eliminator, he would have been kicked out of the ranking. That is not true. The WBC president clearly mentions this and also that Whyte ducked Ortiz and I quote:

"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has explained numerous times why Whyte has been bypassed. This is due to the Briton rejecting a final eliminator with Luis Ortiz. Not fighting Ortiz hasn’t affected Whyte’s rating, but did mean the WBC had to move down to the next available fighter." Link

So, please think and read a bit before denying facts and coming up with conspiracy theories.

It is also funny you should mention Ruiz and Ortiz. After the Arreola fight, Ruiz said he wanted Ortiz or Whyte. Ortiz has been calling out Ruiz but there is silence from Whyte. Of course, Ruiz is going to try the Ortiz fight (not done yet) if there is complete silence from Whyte. Whyte/Hearn mentioned the possibility of Arreola but we now hear they are interested in a nobody after getting KO'ed by a senior citizen. I am sure it is a matter of time after Whyte starts crying that he is No. 1 for so many days. As per the WBC rankings as of today, we have:
1. Deontay Wilder
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Andy Ruiz
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Joseph Parker
6. Joe Joyce

We know Wilder is fighting Fury and Usyk is fighting Joshua. So, the next best available fight for a mandatory position is Whyte vs Ruiz. The WBC needs to order that and if Whyte refuses, then Ruiz vs Ortiz should be for the mandatory position.

[billeau2]

Eddie in his own mind thought that enough time without them making the fight had void the contract. Then you add in the opponents promoter being a lawyer saying the fight isn't happening now because it's void, then yeah, he trusted them. Of course it was ****** considering how Bob makes comments towards Eddie, but this was THE FIGHT to make with all the money in the world. He didn't think Bob was mad enough to scupper it. He knows different now though.

Wait, you can make comments on Eddie that aren't true and have no evidence to the accusations, but we can't make comment on an extremist who is guilty with all the evidence stacking up high? Not only have you contradicted yourself, but it's laughable to make claim we can't comment on things that are actually factual.

All the offers to Wilder for AJ and Whyte were legit as well. To even suggest they weren't, is f3cking insane. That is too mad.

Are you really making excuses for hearn? And that is not how a contract is "voided." Voidable contracts are a matter of enforcement from conception.

https://www.google.com/search?q=voided+contract&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS903US903&oq=voided+cont&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4j0i22i30l4.3547j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You can make comments on anyone you like... I certainly never defended Arum...

I don't claim to know about Wilder, AJ and Whyte... I have been a defender for Whyte many times here on the threads...keep up Sid!

[billeau2]

For the record, Fury is a pathological liar the same way Deontay is. Anyone believing them and their constant contradictions is automatically removed from logical conversation.

Sid... In a room full of fifty people, there may be,on average, two sociopaths that could he characterized as "Pathological" Liars. The experts put it at about "5%." Look it up if you donot believe me. Does punching other men in the face make for a haven for such individuals? More likely explanation is: Fury and Wilder lie at times. I wouldn't believe anyone if it does not appear to be backed up by reality. Fury's statements about the fight with Joshua seem logical. What would be fury's motive to lie? I mean really... think about it. for 75 million most of us would step in the ring with Joshua... Yet a professional fighter is too scared and would rather just avoid a payday like this?

People act according to motivations. Something that REdeemer failed to understand.

[Sid-Knee]

Regarding the Ortiz fight, Whyte refused and Eddie said he planned to appeal because the Whyte-Ortiz was for the second mandatory behind Breazeale, not because Ortiz refused. Whyte/Hearn decided not to take that fight. Ortiz had asked for the fight on the Wilder-Fury undercard. When Whyte refused, Ortiz offered to fly to the UK and fight him there in December. Whyte again refused and went on to fight Chisora.

You said that if Whyte had refused an eliminator, he would have been kicked out of the ranking. That is not true. The WBC president clearly mentions this and also that Whyte ducked Ortiz and I quote:

"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has explained numerous times why Whyte has been bypassed. This is due to the Briton rejecting a final eliminator with Luis Ortiz. Not fighting Ortiz hasn’t affected Whyte’s rating, but did mean the WBC had to move down to the next available fighter." Link

So, please think and read a bit before denying facts and coming up with conspiracy theories.

It is also funny you should mention Ruiz and Ortiz. After the Arreola fight, Ruiz said he wanted Ortiz or Whyte. Ortiz has been calling out Ruiz but there is silence from Whyte. Of course, Ruiz is going to try the Ortiz fight (not done yet) if there is complete silence from Whyte. Whyte/Hearn mentioned the possibility of Arreola but we now hear they are interested in a nobody after getting KO'ed by a senior citizen. I am sure it is a matter of time after Whyte starts crying that he is No. 1 for so many days. As per the WBC rankings as of today, we have:
1. Deontay Wilder
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. Andy Ruiz
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Joseph Parker
6. Joe Joyce

We know Wilder is fighting Fury and Usyk is fighting Joshua. So, the next best available fight for a mandatory position is Whyte vs Ruiz. The WBC needs to order that and if Whyte refuses, then Ruiz vs Ortiz should be for the mandatory position.

Of course Eddie was going to appeal the WBC and Haymon f3cking over Whyte by putting Breazeale in first. Duh, it was corruption and clearly an attempt to keep Whyte away from Wilder.

Whyte said after all this nonsense that he'd fight Ortiz anyway regardless of all the stunts being pulled by them. But guess what? Ortiz then turned around and said along with his team, that he wouldn't be ready on that date. But they fought on that date anyway didn't they? Haymon and Ortiz were hoping to slander Whyte by having him refuse the bullshlt the WBC were pulling. But he didn't. So Ortiz and Haymon were left with the choice of fighting or running. They chose to run. Their game (The one they always play over there) didn't work. Only weirdo's slander him. But hey, they slander everyone anyway with their lies and twisted madness. The world just laughs at weirdo's like you. Go anywhere on the internet that isn't filled with American extremists and you're getting destroyed with nothing but facts. You play these games all the time with them being exposed. It's your nature. All your "Fighters" and "Promoters" play the same tired stinkfest. It's embarrassing. Ortiz gave the big gums towards AJ twice, and ran twice when AJ was happy to fight. Ortiz wasn't. He was just trying to build his name the same way Deontay has done for years by lying about the top guys ducking them. No, the only ones ducking all the time is Deontay and Ortiz. Whyte's resume is better than both of theirs put together. Whyte actually fights those boxing fans are interested in. Ortiz doesn't. He just looks like shlt against bums and flaps his gums, then runs when a real fight comes along. And LOL in thinking Whyte should fight on an undercard for less money in the US when he had a main event in the UK on PPV. You people are deluded and make no sense.

The WBC didn't remove Whyte from the rankings because Whyte threatened to sue them. The WBC didn't have a leg to stand on if Whyte decided to go that route. Their corruption was clear to see. The WBC saying what they did was due to being in Haymon's pocket. Mauricio was using Whyte's reluctance to be second in line if he fought Ortiz. He wanted a guarantee he would get Wilder next. Mauricio misses out the fact Whyte then said "F3ck it, lets do it" afterwards.

Ruiz actually said he needed another fight to get rid of the rust. Forget him telling a crowd all the bullshlt. Go and look it up if you want. Haymon it seems has forced him to do what he doesn't want to do.

Whyte knows they're getting it on. Why would he look to fight either when Ruiz has just recently turned it down? We both know Ruiz wouldn't take it. Why would he waste more time with these PBC cowards?

The Chisora situation was very clear for anyone not twisting things. Chisora was playing hard ball to get more money out of Hearn for the rematch with Whyte but was refused. Chisora then walked. So Whyte needed an opponent that could make his fight PPV. He then accepted after Ortiz made one of his wolf whistles as per usual, but then Chisora saw that and realised he couldn't pull a fast one to get more money, so if he wanted the rematch, he better come good. He did. That's why the Whyte/Ortiz fight didn't happen at that point. Because Chisora came back to the table. A much bigger fight than an Ortiz fight. After the first one was a war, fans wanted it ran back. But you put your slant on it like you lot do. You twist things. Claims of being honest is a laughable load of f3cking nonsense that is created in your head. A head we know all know too well about.

[Inspired]

You didn't prove anything. Your arguments were based on Hearn's accounts of the negotiations, and my arguments were based on what Joshua actually said and Finkel's accounts. I also have DiBella's account and Espinoza's account of how Hearn twisted the facts, but I lost interest.

Wilder-Fury 3 is happening. Wilder won arbitration and everybody who tried to cheat him out of his contractually obligated rematch failed. Everybody who supported the attempted steal is pissed and is concerned for Fury and Joshua because Wilder is going to knock them both out with a vengeance.

you didnt even know that the original 50m offer didnt inc a rematch clause, whilst frank warren (with shelly finkle by his side) claimed the original offer was a guaranteed 2 fight 80m min offer.

what exactly did eddie hearn say that wasnt true on this? he said 'they are just wasting time, not serious about the 50m offer and not even giving us the details' and furthermore they knew aj's contractual obligations and made an offer that doesnt inc them. basically it mean aj would have to reject it and they could pipe up about how he ducked.
meanwhile eddie said 'they just want us to offer more money' which he promptly did..and then finkle called a press conference quite literally to confirm that they'd received a 15m offer, had accepted the terms and were waiting for an official signed contract to proceed with the fight.
this is all on record, on video.

weeks go by and they come back to say 'it doesnt have aj'ssignature so it's fake'.
they stalled until canelo-ggg was announced. then espinoza asked for the fight to get moved to october. All of this is stuff eddie was open about. he explained that the september wembley date is not a problem in the uk but only due to it being on showtime ppv that espinoza has asked it to get moved.

again since wilder-finkle etc knew through epinoza about canelo-ggg coming up, they knew they can stall until that flight effectively clashes as a ppv fight in the US. They knew that as soon as aj is forced to change the venue/date they'll jump on it immediately and say 'no date no venue' and then the mandatory would be called in.

this is just simple logic. easy to process and understand.

it wasnt like team eddie hearn delayed because they didnt know about canelo-ggg in the works to clash with their fight. they put a deposit down on wembley, booked it and were trying to make the fight.

lastly wilder is on record saying he turned down more money from aj to fight fury instead.
wilder didnt want the fight. wilder even said if he beat fury he would demand 60%. so he was always full of it.