Comments Thread For: Wilder: Whyte Ain't Nothing But **** To My Toilet Paper, The Scum Between My Toes

[davefromvancouv]

ive seen all of the videos, you dont need to show me anything, im not playing on ignorance, im aware of all of the contexts.
He did also explain that due to his contractual obligations, the terms of the contract could not be met.
he was with sky sports and this offer was from bt sports.


that bluebloodsports guy on youtube said (recently) that 'that's aj's problem, he said give me 50m, they offered him 50m and he refused'.
however obv when aj said 'give me 50m up front' he was still talking about the established context with the existing terms.
only the money situation was supposed to change.

it's like this
i offer you a fight for £10k...all the terms and contractual obligations are inc in that
you say 'bs, it's going to do £60k revenue, give me £30k'
i say 'if you're so sure it does £60k, brilliant, put your money where your mouth is, pay me £30k and the rest is yours' (and in my head im thinking, it won't even do £30k revenue).


So you have to save face, look good...
you then make me a £30k offer, but it says i have to chop off my d1ck.

i say 'it was a real offer but the terms werent right'

you say 'HE DUCKED, why did he say 30k then? he never mentioned terms, he said 30k and that's all that matters, the rest isnt my problem'.



When i call it a 'fake offer' it's out of the context of Finkle telling Dan Rafael/espn that 'there's no rematch clause if aj loses' followed by Frank Warren months later, right in front of Finkle, saying 'I SAW THE CONTRACT, IT WAS GUARANTEED 80M even if aj lost he'd get 30m for the rematch and it was from BT sports'.
that convinced me that they were dishonest and trying to do something shady.
finkle stood there co-signing warren.

ALL these crappy youtube journo's needed to do was stop the pair of them right there and ask
'finkle, saw your your dan rafael article, you are contradicting yourself, stop lying'

likewise dan rafael himself should have exposed it with a simple article.

Shelley Finkel never said the $50 million offer didn't have a $30 million rematch clause. He said that Hearn's offer did not have a rematch clause for Wilder. Nor did it have a date.

So they were waiting for Hearn to update the offer, then the WBA came out of nowhere and said Wilder had to agree to the original offer with no rematch clause and no date within 24 hours. The 24 hours passed and Hearn immediately announced the Povetkin fight.

Games.

So Fury came out and said, hey, I'll fight you, and he and Wilder created history with the Round Of The Year. Joshua went on to create his own history with Andy Ruiz, getting battered around the ring in one of the greatest upsets in boxing history.

It was so shocking, Sylvester Stallone made a documentary:

[Inspired]

Shelley Finkel never said the $50 million offer didn't have a $30 million rematch clause. He said that Hearn's offer did not have a rematch clause for Wilder. Nor did it have a date.

So they were waiting for Hearn to update the offer, then the WBA came out of nowhere and said Wilder had to agree to the original offer with no rematch clause and no date within 24 hours. The 24 hours passed and Hearn immediately announced the Povetkin fight.

Games.

So Fury came out and said, hey, I'll fight you, and he and Wilder created history with the Round Of The Year. Joshua went on to create his own history with Andy Ruiz, getting battered around the ring in one of the greatest upsets in boxing history.

It was so shocking, Sylvester Stallone made a documentary:

You're obv not clued up...you need to stop being biased on purpose and just see the other side for a change.

here's Finkle's interview about the 50m offer Wilder made to AJ

https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/23317719/deontay-wilder-offers-anthony-joshua-50-million-heavyweight-unification-bout

"It has to be the next fight for each of them," he said. "No rematch clause, and it's for all the belts. We asked for them to send us an acceptance [by the end of Thursday]. Joshua [previously] asked for $50 million against 50 percent, and we gave it to them. They probably don't believe it's this big of an offer, but it's an unbelievable offer. I hope they accept. Deontay is thrilled and believes Joshua will take it."


remember that during the whole 50m process, Wilder specifically demanded that AJ accepted 'within 24 hours' and specifically, i mean specifically puts out a video where he says "deontay wilder, i accept your offer". maybe you won't remember this, it was the one where Wilder's brother was doing bicep curls (to mock joshua).
AJ's original words in response weren't 'i accept', they were 'LET'S GO!!' (ie, let's do this), which was why Wilder then uploaded his video saying 'no you need to specifically say the WORDS 'deontay wilder, i accept your offer' (which itself is something aj would never do, it is B side ****, no one, not even wilder would stoop to doing that. show me a top boxer who would specifically say words to that effect? it's just a form of humiliation.

However Eddie then, as Danny Jacobs's promoter was in NY talking consistently about how they're VERY interested in the offer, they want to sit down with Finkle or Al haymon and hear the terms. They refused to meet. How can anything good happen when they refuse to meet? Ity's not like Eddie is difficult to deal with when he's dealing with big fights internationally regularly.

A couple of additional issues. Eddie Hearn was very open in pointing out that their insistence that 'AJ says the words 'deontay wilder i accept your offer' could potentially land him in legal trouble because of US law'. That is, EH was just postulating on why it's dumb to verbally agree without seeing terms. Not to say they didnt eventually get the terms.


Here's Frank Warren's update months later

https://www.***************.net/2018...t-tony-bellew/
It takes two to make a deal, and if you really want to make a deal, you make it happen. All I know is that Anthony Joshua turned down a guarantee of $80 million, which was $50 million as a purse and $30 million guaranteed for a rematch. And that wasn’t the purses. That was the guarantee,” said Warren.

he said it all to mock joshua but in doing so, he completed proved he was bsing, since finkle clearly is on record saying 'no rematch clause'.

AJ was later asked about it all and he acknowledge the money was legit, but he just said due to his contractual obligations (sky sports) and sponsorship deals meant he couldnt accept their offer
that's fair right? i mean, if he's with sky sports and it's bt sports offering the money for it to go on their network, aj is well within his rights to say no.

if aj has to wear Under Armor and Adidas for example, then any offer made to him has to meet his contractual obligations, or he would get sued.





Now onto the the later 15m revised offer. Again, some point you are conveniently ignoring or you didnt think about, or even know for that matter.


in this order..which matters
after the wholwe 50m blag, which is what it was, with the contradictions and bt sports offer which aj couldnt obv sign. Eddie was also adamant that finkle calling press conferences and not dealing privately, aswell as the offer being murky, was because they really wanted a revised/bigger offer from AJ.
Hence the revised 15m offer.

- Finkle called a press conference, said they had received a new 15m offer and had accepted it. All eddie hearn needed to do was send a signed contract and his side would sign it.
rather than just deal with this privately, they called a press conference for it.

2 weeks went by. Eddie was asked, he said 'we sent it, were waiting for their side'.


actually here's an article where eddie explains all of it, the full timeline/contexts etc.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/eddie-hearn-deontay-wilder-anthony-joshua-alexander-povetkin-matchroom-boxing-wba/1q92pcx2b4vsa1nqv36e7w10sa

i insist that you read the full article to get the gist of what eddie was dealing with, contexts and the timeline

now, don't be lazy here, read the article because each point you made comes up in that.

the situation from what i gathered was that Wilder's side BSed to waste time. they had inside info from espinoza, knew that canelo-ggg would get announced for 2 weeks before the aj-wilder september date. espinoza would ask eddie to move the wilder fight to october. wembley arena would be out due to the weather. eddie would try recheduling in Cardiff's closing roof stadium (80k capacity) but wilder would just jump on it with 'NO DATE NO VENUE' (perfect excuse, perfect storm).
then the WBA would get sick of the wait and force the mandatory that was due.

again, the article ive linked above, eddie went in on all of it. it makes a hell of a lot of sense too. Eddie doesnt talk about espinoza as im donig here, but it adds up. Espinoza has hated on joshua and eddie since. literally the aj-wilder fight was his, it was going to showtime, date and venue booked, offer accepted and a contract waiting to be signed.

they delayed it, then created a context to create a story to reject it.
if you're a weak minded liar, you can kid yourself on these contexts, but i know what i saw and there's enough evidence to prove it.
espinoza should have forced canelo-ggg to october instead, not like Vegas has weather problems when its indoors.

[Sid-Knee]

Worshipping promoters, giving them anymore than self interest in the sport of boxing is ridiculous. Absolutely so...

If you think pointing out peoples lies and slander is "Worshiping" a promoter, then you've got more problems than i thought.

[Sid-Knee]

I just gave you a list of Wilder's and Whyte's last five fights. Obviously, Wilder fought better competition lately...are you going to deny that? Heart medication (actually BP medication) is not as bad as PEDs. Whyte did not fight Ortiz, it is a well-known fact. You can always spin that giving ridiculous dates or offers. Whyte was also offered the Ruiz fight, which he refused. Are you going to deny that too? Let's see who Whyte fights next for the mandatory position. Does he fights #2 or #3 or do they bring a Rivas out of nowhere and lobby for it to be mandatory? Time will tell. Forget the past, let him fight Ortiz or Ruiz Jr or Joyce or rematch Parker next. WBC can mandate the fight and give the dates.

You want to disengage, YOU stop quoting me.

Whyte ducked Ruiz now too? Ruiz was the one who ducked because he didn't want to fight anyone dangerous after a defeat. He was offered 4 Mill, but turned it down. He then tried to play slight of hand when Whyte said he was offered 5 mill. He claimed it was a lie and they "Low balled" him. Hearn then said he'd offer him the 5 Mill then. Ruiz then went quiet. Ruiz even after the pathetic performance against a long time shot fighter tried to get out of the arranged fight with Ortiz afterwards. But it seems back on now. Haymon obviously told him what he's going to do. That is fighting Ortiz.

But good luck in your made up fantasy version of events. But hey, it's an American thing. Detached from reality in a very scary way. But that's what i expect delusional cowards to do.

Enjoy.

[davefromvancouv]

You're obv not clued up...you need to stop being biased on purpose and just see the other side for a change.

here's Finkle's interview about the 50m offer Wilder made to AJ
https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/...ification-bout

"It has to be the next fight for each of them," he said. "No rematch clause, and it's for all the belts. We asked for them to send us an acceptance [by the end of Thursday]. Joshua [previously] asked for $50 million against 50 percent, and we gave it to them. They probably don't believe it's this big of an offer, but it's an unbelievable offer. I hope they accept. Deontay is thrilled and believes Joshua will take it."


remember that during the whole 50m process, Wilder specifically demanded that AJ accepted 'within 24 hours' and specifically, i mean specifically puts out a video where he says "deontay wilder, i accept your offer". maybe you won't remember this, it was the one where Wilder's brother was doing bicep curls (to mock joshua).
AJ's original words in response weren't 'i accept', they were 'LET'S GO!!' (ie, let's do this), which was why Wilder then uploaded his video saying 'no you need to specifically say the WORDS 'deontay wilder, i accept your offer' (which itself is something aj would never do, it is B side ****, no one, not even wilder would stoop to doing that. show me a top boxer who would specifically say words to that effect? it's just a form of humiliation.

However Eddie then, as Danny Jacobs's promoter was in NY talking consistently about how they're VERY interested in the offer, they want to sit down with Finkle or Al haymon and hear the terms. They refused to meet. How can anything good happen when they refuse to meet? Ity's not like Eddie is difficult to deal with when he's dealing with big fights internationally regularly.

A couple of additional issues. Eddie Hearn was very open in pointing out that their insistence that 'AJ says the words 'deontay wilder i accept your offer' could potentially land him in legal trouble because of US law'. That is, EH was just postulating on why it's dumb to verbally agree without seeing terms. Not to say they didnt eventually get the terms.


Here's Frank Warren's update months later

https://www.***************.net/2018...t-tony-bellew/
It takes two to make a deal, and if you really want to make a deal, you make it happen. All I know is that Anthony Joshua turned down a guarantee of $80 million, which was $50 million as a purse and $30 million guaranteed for a rematch. And that wasn’t the purses. That was the guarantee,” said Warren.

he said it all to mock joshua but in doing so, he completed proved he was bsing, since finkle clearly is on record saying 'no rematch clause'.

AJ was later asked about it all and he acknowledge the money was legit, but he just said due to his contractual obligations (sky sports) and sponsorship deals meant he couldnt accept their offer
that's fair right? i mean, if he's with sky sports and it's bt sports offering the money for it to go on their network, aj is well within his rights to say no.

if aj has to wear Under Armor and Adidas for example, then any offer made to him has to meet his contractual obligations, or he would get sued.





Now onto the the later 15m revised offer. Again, some point you are conveniently ignoring or you didnt think about, or even know for that matter.


in this order..which matters
after the wholwe 50m blag, which is what it was, with the contradictions and bt sports offer which aj couldnt obv sign. Eddie was also adamant that finkle calling press conferences and not dealing privately, aswell as the offer being murky, was because they really wanted a revised/bigger offer from AJ.
Hence the revised 15m offer.

- Finkle called a press conference, said they had received a new 15m offer and had accepted it. All eddie hearn needed to do was send a signed contract and his side would sign it.
rather than just deal with this privately, they called a press conference for it.

2 weeks went by. Eddie was asked, he said 'we sent it, were waiting for their side'.


actually here's an article where eddie explains all of it, the full timeline/contexts etc.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxi...a1nqv36e7w10sa
i insist that you read the full article to get the gist of what eddie was dealing with, contexts and the timeline

now, don't be lazy here, read the article because each point you made comes up in that.

the situation from what i gathered was that Wilder's side BSed to waste time. they had inside info from espinoza, knew that canelo-ggg would get announced for 2 weeks before the aj-wilder september date. espinoza would ask eddie to move the wilder fight to october. wembley arena would be out due to the weather. eddie would try recheduling in Cardiff's closing roof stadium (80k capacity) but wilder would just jump on it with 'NO DATE NO VENUE' (perfect excuse, perfect storm).
then the WBA would get sick of the wait and force the mandatory that was due.

again, the article ive linked above, eddie went in on all of it. it makes a hell of a lot of sense too. Eddie doesnt talk about espinoza as im donig here, but it adds up. Espinoza has hated on joshua and eddie since. literally the aj-wilder fight was his, it was going to showtime, date and venue booked, offer accepted and a contract waiting to be signed.

they delayed it, then created a context to create a story to reject it.
if you're a weak minded liar, you can kid yourself on these contexts, but i know what i saw and there's enough evidence to prove it.
espinoza should have forced canelo-ggg to october instead, not like Vegas has weather problems when its indoors.

$50 million against 50%.
It was the biggest offer at the time for a heavyweight champion. Backed by Showtime and Al Haymon, powerhouses in the US sports and entertainment industries.

Do you know why Hearn didn't like that offer?
Because it had nothing to do with him. That money was for Joshua and Joshua alone to divvy up as he saw fit, based on his existing contracts. Wilder was already his own boss so he would have done the same. As Joshua said in the interview I provided, he would have pocketed half of the proceeds. So, yes, all he had to do was accept the offer.

What did Hearn do? Kill the deal with an insulting flat fee counter offer. He doesn't know what Wilder makes. Again, Wilder is self employed, has his own slew of businesses including his own promotional company. His fighter's salary is a fraction of what he makes. So Hearn promoted the idea that Wilder should be happy to get this flat fee, while Hearn makes off like a bandit with the rest of the proceeds. Just like he would later do with Andy Ruiz in the rematch, pocketing 4 times more than what the champion was given.

Shelley Finkel explained why the conditions for April 13th fight was unacceptable:

https://www.***************.net/2018...t-unsigned-aj/

So Wilder said no more flat fees.
50/50, then 60/40 for the rematch.
Just like with Fury. And now we have Wilder-Fury 3, and Joshua is on the outside looking in once again. Hopefully, this time, Joshua accepts the offer to fight Wilder and Fury multiple times without Hearn messing things up.

[billeau2]

If you think pointing out peoples lies and slander is "Worshiping" a promoter, then you've got more problems than i thought.

Sid, your being daft... One is really not better than another... You know that is what I am saying. Yes Arum is more of a piece of crap because he has been doing it longer... But these ovueres to Eddie, as being a poor, sincere, man of the people... just trying to do right by his fighter... tricked by the evil Arum... who promised him the arbitration was no issue...

If you are buying that? you have problems of your own... Im going to go out on a limb here and say you probably know better and have the common sense to understand that maybe, hiring a lawyer at Ed's ambulance chasers inc, MIGHT not have the resources to know about legal procedures... BUT a promoter with millions of dollars? with no legal staff to inform him "Hey Eddie, you better be aware that arbitration could be a problem" Really? Come on now... Is that your position? Im hoping it is not...

[Ganondorf]

If you look up “class act” in the dictionary, I’m sure you will see a photo of Deontay Wilder.

[nubianpiye]

Wilder is not an elite or even good fighter like he thinks he is whyte destroys him wins over a90 year old Cuban ghost and getting destroyed by fury does not prove you elite

[Inspired]

$50 million against 50%.
It was the biggest offer at the time for a heavyweight champion. Backed by Showtime and Al Haymon, powerhouses in the US sports and entertainment industries.

Do you know why Hearn didn't like that offer?
Because it had nothing to do with him. That money was for Joshua and Joshua alone to divvy up as he saw fit, based on his existing contracts. Wilder was already his own boss so he would have done the same. As Joshua said in the interview I provided, he would have pocketed half of the proceeds. So, yes, all he had to do was accept the offer.

What did Hearn do? Kill the deal with an insulting flat fee counter offer. He doesn't know what Wilder makes. Again, Wilder is self employed, has his own slew of businesses including his own promotional company. His fighter's salary is a fraction of what he makes. So Hearn promoted the idea that Wilder should be happy to get this flat fee, while Hearn makes off like a bandit with the rest of the proceeds. Just like he would later do with Andy Ruiz in the rematch, pocketing 4 times more than what the champion was given.

Shelley Finkel explained why the conditions for April 13th fight was unacceptable:

https://www.***************.net/2018...t-unsigned-aj/

So Wilder said no more flat fees.
50/50, then 60/40 for the rematch.
Just like with Fury. And now we have Wilder-Fury 3, and Joshua is on the outside looking in once again. Hopefully, this time, Joshua accepts the offer to fight Wilder and Fury multiple times without Hearn messing things up.

ok so firstly, you obv just blanked my post, yet want to have convos here but clearly are just saying what you wish to be true
eg 'eddie didnt like the offer'
no, eddie hearn/matchroom have an exclusive contract with AJ. AJ gets $15m a fight from matchroom, he's currently on the final fightg of his latest contract deal.
Likewise AJ was exclusive with sky sports.

Whether Eddie 'didnt want it' or not, we dont know his inner feelings but we know he was in NY openly calling out al haymon and finkle to meet. He openly said 'aj is interested in the offer, let's get this thing done' and there was no meeting.
Finkle said 'only if aj verbally agrees'
hence ive talked tyo you about the whole 'a verbal agreement is legally binding in US law'.

you've purposely ignored all the contexts i outlined in that post inc via the link, where eddie went in depth on the timeline and back n forth.
You'#re on about flat fee's..
factis wilder only got 2m vs ortiz and he said ortiz is the second best hw.
he made 5m vs fury and said fury is the second best
turned down whyte for 5m turned down aj for 12.5m

why arent you acknowledging that that wilder said 'they are so scared they wont even make a lowball offer' and 'i will accept even a lowball offer, i just want to prove myself'.
furthermore, any offer made to wilder was through 258 management. as if eddie just took it on himself to dictate numbers when aj calls the shots there. eddie does the talking but 258 and aj deal with the numbers.
Fact is finkle later publically accepted 15m..and said 'we just need a signed contract'
and then they stalled for as long as possible until canelo-ggg was announced to take place 2 weeks before the Wembley date for the aj-wilder date.
espinoza asked eddie to move the fight to october (2 superfights in 2 weeks is not possible for showtime).
eddie said 'ok, but due to the weather it will most likely go to cardiff's closing roof stadium'.
no sooner did this play out, did wilder say 'NO DATE NO VENUE' eg he set it up..he knew this would happen and then had the excuses ready. this is why the WBA called the povetkin mandatory.
likewise when the mandatory was forced, aj fought povetkin on the original booked wembley date (they had a deposit on the venue so why not?).
later wilder is like 'dey sededed dat dey dooded in wembley castle ova der...and den they sededed no...den deydoodeded povetkin der so dey liars'

wilder and his supports like you are delusional twats. you didnt even know that finkle was on record saying the 50m offer has no rematch clause, whilst frank warren said 'it was a 2 fight offer for 80m minimum' (as in, total booolsheeeet'
and all aj has said is 'when i put my contractual obligations and sponsors to them, they realised its not a good deal for them'.

[davefromvancouv]

ok so firstly, you obv just blanked my post, yet want to have convos here but clearly are just saying what you wish to be true
eg 'eddie didnt like the offer'
no, eddie hearn/matchroom have an exclusive contract with AJ. AJ gets $15m a fight from matchroom, he's currently on the final fightg of his latest contract deal.
Likewise AJ was exclusive with sky sports.

Whether Eddie 'didnt want it' or not, we dont know his inner feelings but we know he was in NY openly calling out al haymon and finkle to meet. He openly said 'aj is interested in the offer, let's get this thing done' and there was no meeting.
Finkle said 'only if aj verbally agrees'
hence ive talked tyo you about the whole 'a verbal agreement is legally binding in US law'.

you've purposely ignored all the contexts i outlined in that post inc via the link, where eddie went in depth on the timeline and back n forth.
You'#re on about flat fee's..
factis wilder only got 2m vs ortiz and he said ortiz is the second best hw.
he made 5m vs fury and said fury is the second best
turned down whyte for 5m turned down aj for 12.5m

why arent you acknowledging that that wilder said 'they are so scared they wont even make a lowball offer' and 'i will accept even a lowball offer, i just want to prove myself'.
furthermore, any offer made to wilder was through 258 management. as if eddie just took it on himself to dictate numbers when aj calls the shots there. eddie does the talking but 258 and aj deal with the numbers.
Fact is finkle later publically accepted 15m..and said 'we just need a signed contract'
and then they stalled for as long as possible until canelo-ggg was announced to take place 2 weeks before the Wembley date for the aj-wilder date.
espinoza asked eddie to move the fight to october (2 superfights in 2 weeks is not possible for showtime).
eddie said 'ok, but due to the weather it will most likely go to cardiff's closing roof stadium'.
no sooner did this play out, did wilder say 'NO DATE NO VENUE' eg he set it up..he knew this would happen and then had the excuses ready. this is why the WBA called the povetkin mandatory.
likewise when the mandatory was forced, aj fought povetkin on the original booked wembley date (they had a deposit on the venue so why not?).
later wilder is like 'dey sededed dat dey dooded in wembley castle ova der...and den they sededed no...den deydoodeded povetkin der so dey liars'

wilder and his supports like you are delusional twats. you didnt even know that finkle was on record saying the 50m offer has no rematch clause, whilst frank warren said 'it was a 2 fight offer for 80m minimum' (as in, total booolsheeeet'
and all aj has said is 'when i put my contractual obligations and sponsors to them, they realised its not a good deal for them'.

Yeah, Hearn had nothing to do with the $50 million but wanted to insert himself right in the middle of it. The deal was between Joshua and Wilder's team. That's it. $50 million against 50% guaranteed.

Simple.

No flat fee.
Percentage.
50/50.

Joshua already said he was honored by it, it was real and he would have gotten about half of it.

I agree that the rematch clause may not have been included. Maybe it was added later? Who knows...

The bottom line is it was rejected and undisputed was lost in the ensuing drama.