Comments Thread For: Wilder: Whyte Ain't Nothing But **** To My Toilet Paper, The Scum Between My Toes

[Zelda]

Of course Eddie was going to appeal the WBC and Haymon f3cking over Whyte by putting Breazeale in first. Duh, it was corruption and clearly an attempt to keep Whyte away from Wilder.

Whyte said after all this nonsense that he'd fight Ortiz anyway regardless of all the stunts being pulled by them. But guess what? Ortiz then turned around and said along with his team, that he wouldn't be ready on that date. But they fought on that date anyway didn't they? Haymon and Ortiz were hoping to slander Whyte by having him refuse the bullshlt the WBC were pulling. But he didn't. So Ortiz and Haymon were left with the choice of fighting or running. They chose to run. Their game (The one they always play over there) didn't work. Only weirdo's slander him. But hey, they slander everyone anyway with their lies and twisted madness. The world just laughs at weirdo's like you. Go anywhere on the internet that isn't filled with American extremists and you're getting destroyed with nothing but facts. You play these games all the time with them being exposed. It's your nature. All your "Fighters" and "Promoters" play the same tired stinkfest. It's embarrassing. Ortiz gave the big gums towards AJ twice, and ran twice when AJ was happy to fight. Ortiz wasn't. He was just trying to build his name the same way Deontay has done for years by lying about the top guys ducking them. No, the only ones ducking all the time is Deontay and Ortiz. Whyte's resume is better than both of theirs put together. Whyte actually fights those boxing fans are interested in. Ortiz doesn't. He just looks like shlt against bums and flaps his gums, then runs when a real fight comes along. And LOL in thinking Whyte should fight on an undercard for less money in the US when he had a main event in the UK on PPV. You people are deluded and make no sense.

The WBC didn't remove Whyte from the rankings because Whyte threatened to sue them. The WBC didn't have a leg to stand on if Whyte decided to go that route. Their corruption was clear to see. The WBC saying what they did was due to being in Haymon's pocket. Mauricio was using Whyte's reluctance to be second in line if he fought Ortiz. He wanted a guarantee he would get Wilder next. Mauricio misses out the fact Whyte then said "F3ck it, lets do it" afterwards.

Ruiz actually said he needed another fight to get rid of the rust. Forget him telling a crowd all the bullshlt. Go and look it up if you want. Haymon it seems has forced him to do what he doesn't want to do.

Whyte knows they're getting it on. Why would he look to fight either when Ruiz has just recently turned it down? We both know Ruiz wouldn't take it. Why would he waste more time with these PBC cowards?

The Chisora situation was very clear for anyone not twisting things. Chisora was playing hard ball to get more money out of Hearn for the rematch with Whyte but was refused. Chisora then walked. So Whyte needed an opponent that could make his fight PPV. He then accepted after Ortiz made one of his wolf whistles as per usual, but then Chisora saw that and realised he couldn't pull a fast one to get more money, so if he wanted the rematch, he better come good. He did. That's why the Whyte/Ortiz fight didn't happen at that point. Because Chisora came back to the table. A much bigger fight than an Ortiz fight. After the first one was a war, fans wanted it ran back. But you put your slant on it like you lot do. You twist things. Claims of being honest is a laughable load of f3cking nonsense that is created in your head. A head we know all know too well about.

Come on Sid...you know you're talking BS there.

Whyte did not fight Ortiz when it would have meant final eliminator but was ready to fight afterward? Do you mutually sit and decide the date or you fix a date and tell the other person if you really intend to fight? training to fight a low ranked opponent vs training to fight Whyte would require different timeframes. He refused to fight on the Wilder-Fury undercard but was fine fighting on the AJ-Ruiz undercard? Ortiz offered to come to the UK but Whyte went with Chisora. It makes no sense to fight Ortiz in the US but Whyte is looking to go to the US next and fight a tomato can? but still won't fight either Ortiz or Ruiz?

Whyte is simply afraid he could lose his interim title if he fights any half-decent fighter. He would have fought the 50+ year old Ortiz, as he likes to call him, if not for another senior citizen knocking him out WITH ONE PUNCH. The only thing corrupt with WBC is allowing Whyte to fight a low-ranked Rivas and make it an eliminator. Soon he will start crying again that he deserves a shot at the title but still run away from final eliminators. These are the facts and that is Dillan Whyte in a nutshell.

[davefromvancouv]

you didnt even know that the original 50m offer didnt inc a rematch clause, whilst frank warren (with shelly finkle by his side) claimed the original offer was a guaranteed 2 fight 80m min offer.

what exactly did eddie hearn say that wasnt true on this? he said 'they are just wasting time, not serious about the 50m offer and not even giving us the details' and furthermore they knew aj's contractual obligations and made an offer that doesnt inc them. basically it mean aj would have to reject it and they could pipe up about how he ducked.
meanwhile eddie said 'they just want us to offer more money' which he promptly did..and then finkle called a press conference quite literally to confirm that they'd received a 15m offer, had accepted the terms and were waiting for an official signed contract to proceed with the fight.
this is all on record, on video.

weeks go by and they come back to say 'it doesnt have aj'ssignature so it's fake'.
they stalled until canelo-ggg was announced. then espinoza asked for the fight to get moved to october. All of this is stuff eddie was open about. he explained that the september wembley date is not a problem in the uk but only due to it being on showtime ppv that espinoza has asked it to get moved.

again since wilder-finkle etc knew through epinoza about canelo-ggg coming up, they knew they can stall until that flight effectively clashes as a ppv fight in the US. They knew that as soon as aj is forced to change the venue/date they'll jump on it immediately and say 'no date no venue' and then the mandatory would be called in.

this is just simple logic. easy to process and understand.

it wasnt like team eddie hearn delayed because they didnt know about canelo-ggg in the works to clash with their fight. they put a deposit down on wembley, booked it and were trying to make the fight.

lastly wilder is on record saying he turned down more money from aj to fight fury instead.
wilder didnt want the fight. wilder even said if he beat fury he would demand 60%. so he was always full of it.

Joshua got exactly what he asked for, and more: $50 million against 50%. Guaranteed.
Joshua himself said he would have been able to pocket half that, after dealing with his financial obligations.

This was more than the Hearn $12.5 million flat fee counter offer. No reasonable sharing of a successful gate. A flat fee. Meaning that if the event pulled in $100 million, Hearn and Joshua would have split $87.5 million. Andy Ruiz knows a thing or two about being cheated out of his fair share: he got a $10 million flat fee, Hearn got a $40 million site fee and Joshua got over $50 million even though he was the loser their first fight. But Ruiz was desperate.

Wilder is not.

After Wilder beats Fury and becomes two-time WBC champion and the new RING/lineal champion, it's 50/50, 60/40 rematch for undisputed with Joshua.

Let's see if he accepts...

[Sid-Knee]

Come on Sid...you know you're talking BS there.

Whyte did not fight Ortiz when it would have meant final eliminator but was ready to fight afterward? Do you mutually sit and decide the date or you fix a date and tell the other person if you really intend to fight? training to fight a low ranked opponent vs training to fight Whyte would require different timeframes. He refused to fight on the Wilder-Fury undercard but was fine fighting on the AJ-Ruiz undercard? Ortiz offered to come to the UK but Whyte went with Chisora. It makes no sense to fight Ortiz in the US but Whyte is looking to go to the US next and fight a tomato can? but still won't fight either Ortiz or Ruiz?

Whyte is simply afraid he could lose his interim title if he fights any half-decent fighter. He would have fought the 50+ year old Ortiz, as he likes to call him, if not for another senior citizen knocking him out WITH ONE PUNCH. The only thing corrupt with WBC is allowing Whyte to fight a low-ranked Rivas and make it an eliminator. Soon he will start crying again that he deserves a shot at the title but still run away from final eliminators. These are the facts and that is Dillan Whyte in a nutshell.

You keep on mixing and matching different times to suit.

Whyte and Eddie wanted it to be for mandatory and to get Wilder NEXT. That was their sticking point. But after all the messing around, Whyte said "F3ck it" and was willing to go through with it. Ortiz wasn't.

The big difference between the Fury/Wilder undercard and the AJ/Ruiz 2 undercard can be worked out by any reasonable mind. Whyte had a main even PPV at the time of the Fury/Wilder fight. Whereas he'd been out for some time after all the testing scandal nonsense and just needed to get out there to shed some rust when nearly 2 stone overweight against Wach. The fact i have to point this out to you amongst other things tells me you want to put your own spin on it which is the usual for you lot. You're being anything but reasonable. You're actually twisting situations to suit because that is actually what you want. It's the same nonsense with all the weirdo's your way.

Whyte was going for Chisora anyway, because that's the fight the fans wanted. It was a much bigger fight and a lot more anticipated than a hype job with nothing to show for it in Ortiz. It was only when Chisora tried to get more money out of it and play hard ball did Whyte think he was free. But as i said, Chisora saw the error of his ways and negotiated the fight in a rational manner. Whyte did not duck Ortiz. To suggest so, is as i said, preposterous.

Whyte doesn't need to put his position under threat all the time without getting a title shot. Who else would do that? Use reason, and you come to the right conclusion.

Yeah, fighting an older and less proven fighter in Ortiz over a proven one in Povetkin who had just come from a draw against Hunter where he should have got the decision based on the ropes holding Hunter up and therefore should have been a KD, makes more sense from you.

Many were calling for the Rivas fight. Most were picking him to beat Whyte. They were saying he'd be knocked out, but Whyte dominated him with ease. Rivas is a fighter who had also beaten Ortiz' best win in Jennings, and is better than anyone Ortiz has beaten in his joke career. I'd be right up for a fight like that for Ortiz, but he doesn't want them. He fights absolute scrubs all the time and looks like shlt instead. But you lot want to continue to hype a never was or never will be due to Wilder. Give it a rest. It's boring this level of madness all the time. Ortiz has had his chances, and never taken one of them. Let him rot at PBC like the rest of the cowards who do nothing but talk and duck.

[Zelda]

You keep on mixing and matching different times to suit.

Whyte and Eddie wanted it to be for mandatory and to get Wilder NEXT. That was their sticking point. But after all the messing around, Whyte said "F3ck it" and was willing to go through with it. Ortiz wasn't.

The big difference between the Fury/Wilder undercard and the AJ/Ruiz 2 undercard can be worked out by any reasonable mind. Whyte had a main even PPV at the time of the Fury/Wilder fight. Whereas he'd been out for some time after all the testing scandal nonsense and just needed to get out there to shed some rust when nearly 2 stone overweight against Wach. The fact i have to point this out to you amongst other things tells me you want to put your own spin on it which is the usual for you lot. You're being anything but reasonable. You're actually twisting situations to suit because that is actually what you want. It's the same nonsense with all the weirdo's your way.

Whyte was going for Chisora anyway, because that's the fight the fans wanted. It was a much bigger fight and a lot more anticipated than a hype job with nothing to show for it in Ortiz. It was only when Chisora tried to get more money out of it and play hard ball did Whyte think he was free. But as i said, Chisora saw the error of his ways and negotiated the fight in a rational manner. Whyte did not duck Ortiz. To suggest so, is as i said, preposterous.

Whyte doesn't need to put his position under threat all the time without getting a title shot. Who else would do that? Use reason, and you come to the right conclusion.

Yeah, fighting an older and less proven fighter in Ortiz over a proven one in Povetkin who had just come from a draw against Hunter where he should have got the decision based on the ropes holding Hunter up and therefore should have been a KD, makes more sense from you.

Many were calling for the Rivas fight. Most were picking him to beat Whyte. They were saying he'd be knocked out, but Whyte dominated him with ease. Rivas is a fighter who had also beaten Ortiz' best win in Jennings, and is better than anyone Ortiz has beaten in his joke career. I'd be right up for a fight like that for Ortiz, but he doesn't want them. He fights absolute scrubs all the time and looks like shlt instead. But you lot want to continue to hype a never was or never will be due to Wilder. Give it a rest. It's boring this level of madness all the time. Ortiz has had his chances, and never taken one of them. Let him rot at PBC like the rest of the cowards who do nothing but talk and duck.

It is useless to argue with Eddie fanboys...they just believe what is fed to them. Let's see who Whyte fights next...a serious contender like Ortiz or Ruiz for an eliminator or a bum?

[Inspired]

Joshua got exactly what he asked for, and more: $50 million against 50%. Guaranteed.
Joshua himself said he would have been able to pocket half that, after dealing with his financial obligations.

This was more than the Hearn $12.5 million flat fee counter offer. No reasonable sharing of a successful gate. A flat fee. Meaning that if the event pulled in $100 million, Hearn and Joshua would have split $87.5 million. Andy Ruiz knows a thing or two about being cheated out of his fair share: he got a $10 million flat fee, Hearn got a $40 million site fee and Joshua got over $50 million even though he was the loser their first fight. But Ruiz was desperate.

Wilder is not.

After Wilder beats Fury and becomes two-time WBC champion and the new RING/lineal champion, it's 50/50, 60/40 rematch for undisputed with Joshua.

Let's see if he accepts...

1) the fact is the offer couldnt materialise because they did it through bt sports knowing aj was under certain contractual obligations.
if a fighter says 'give me 50m' that doesnt mean it should come whilst ignoring those obligations. for example if a fighter is sponsored by adidas and the contract says 'you have to wear a brand of our choosing' (to generate the money).
it's just like canelo vs ggg 3 via the GBP dazn agreement. imagine team wilder privately agreeing a deal with amazon or some ****, saying 'aj will wear your logo on his forehead' and they say 'yup, we will give you $50m for that' but aj sees that and says 'fk that, im not doing that'.

you'll still come out with 'BUT AJ ASKEDEDED FOR 50M AND DEY GIFFFEDEDED IT 2 HIM'
no mate, they didnt, that type of offer is blatantly disrespectful and cannot be agreed due to contractual obligations.

'you have to accept the offer on video, within 24 hours, or else you're a liar'
clear cut attempt at character assasination, so lennox the clown can go on telling everyone 'aj duckeded dat fite'.

so much bs, but i expect no better from the PBC.

2) matchroom/aj owed ruiz nothing when they gave him a shot. he agreed to the terms..
and he could never generate that type of money on his own, not even vs wilder would he get paid $9m back then.

aj lost...and eddie got him the saudi fight. that's due to their connections/reputation/likeability

you're acting like ruiz was robbed lol. the guy thanked al haymon for 'all the good happening to me right now' so let al haymon pay him $9-10m against wilder or ortiz.

3) you're so sure?
example, if aj beats usyk then he doesnt have any immediate mandatory fight for at least 2 yrs. once it's called that is..and there shouldnt be one called eg joyce has to earn the mandatory position. hrgovic situation isnt resolved. charles martin?

yet wilder comes out with 'dey already mekking mandatory excuses'
no..total bs. wilder makes it up. idiots in the US repeat it..and that's how america functions as a nation, built entirely off of lies and a corrupt law system.

wilder said that essentially because he doesnt want to fight aj but will readily have excuses there.

oh and no, it isnt 50/50 if wilder wins. it was 50/50 for whoever wins the trilogy. if wilder wins, it's 1-1..he isnt worthy. Fury was worthy because he's blatantly beat wilder twice in reality.
wilder winning by one punch (which is the only way he can win), 50-50 after losing twice before?
see..this is a problem...

im sure aj-eddie will still offer wilder 50% btw..and i doubt he will take it. he will bs like i said.

[ClubberLang82]

Who honestly believes anyone is ducking AJ? He's both the biggest name in the division and ripe for the picking judging by his last several performances. Common sense alone should tell you that Fury and Wilder are chomping at the bit to get him in the ring. I remember them being all chummy after their first fight. Calling out AJ with how easy they were able to come to an agreement while they both struggled with Hearn. Even after everything, Fury admits Wilder would blow AJ out in devastating fashion.

If I were AJ's promoter, i'd probably be doing exactly what Hearn's been doing. Failing to secure these fights for whatever reason.

[davefromvancouv]

1) the fact is the offer couldnt materialise because they did it through bt sports knowing aj was under certain contractual obligations.
if a fighter says 'give me 50m' that doesnt mean it should come whilst ignoring those obligations. for example if a fighter is sponsored by adidas and the contract says 'you have to wear a brand of our choosing' (to generate the money).
it's just like canelo vs ggg 3 via the GBP dazn agreement. imagine team wilder privately agreeing a deal with amazon or some ****, saying 'aj will wear your logo on his forehead' and they say 'yup, we will give you $50m for that' but aj sees that and says 'fk that, im not doing that'.

you'll still come out with 'BUT AJ ASKEDEDED FOR 50M AND DEY GIFFFEDEDED IT 2 HIM'
no mate, they didnt, that type of offer is blatantly disrespectful and cannot be agreed due to contractual obligations.

'you have to accept the offer on video, within 24 hours, or else you're a liar'
clear cut attempt at character assasination, so lennox the clown can go on telling everyone 'aj duckeded dat fite'.

so much bs, but i expect no better from the PBC.

2) matchroom/aj owed ruiz nothing when they gave him a shot. he agreed to the terms..
and he could never generate that type of money on his own, not even vs wilder would he get paid $9m back then.

aj lost...and eddie got him the saudi fight. that's due to their connections/reputation/likeability

you're acting like ruiz was robbed lol. the guy thanked al haymon for 'all the good happening to me right now' so let al haymon pay him $9-10m against wilder or ortiz.

3) you're so sure?
example, if aj beats usyk then he doesnt have any immediate mandatory fight for at least 2 yrs. once it's called that is..and there shouldnt be one called eg joyce has to earn the mandatory position. hrgovic situation isnt resolved. charles martin?

yet wilder comes out with 'dey already mekking mandatory excuses'
no..total bs. wilder makes it up. idiots in the US repeat it..and that's how america functions as a nation, built entirely off of lies and a corrupt law system.

wilder said that essentially because he doesnt want to fight aj but will readily have excuses there.

oh and no, it isnt 50/50 if wilder wins. it was 50/50 for whoever wins the trilogy. if wilder wins, it's 1-1..he isnt worthy. Fury was worthy because he's blatantly beat wilder twice in reality.
wilder winning by one punch (which is the only way he can win), 50-50 after losing twice before?
see..this is a problem...

im sure aj-eddie will still offer wilder 50% btw..and i doubt he will take it. he will bs like i said.

Joshua already said it wasn't a problem.

Lou DiBella said it wasn't a problem.

Steven Espinoza said it wasn't a problem.

The only one who had a problem was Hearn because he wouldn't be able to get his massive cut. Which is why he muddied the waters and spun the false narrative that: the offer was fake, they didn't want to meet, we did all we could do, show me proof of funds, etc...

Wilder is back.
Fury's going to sleep.
Joshua has a second chance to make things right.
50/50.
60/40 rematch.

[Inspired]

Joshua already said it wasn't a problem.

Lou DiBella said it wasn't a problem.

Steven Espinoza said it wasn't a problem.

The only one who had a problem was Hearn because he wouldn't be able to get his massive cut. Which is why he muddied the waters and spun the false narrative that: the offer was fake, they didn't want to meet, we did all we could do, show me proof of funds, etc...

Wilder is back.
Fury's going to sleep.
Joshua has a second chance to make things right.
50/50.
60/40 rematch.

wrong, joshua has repeatedly said that the money was legit but the problem was he had his own contractual obligations which he put to their side. their side realised it wasnt workable and that was the end of it.

espinoza was always biased...he was bitter about aj moving to dazn. However even worse, he had all the intel on canelo-ggg coming up and allowed it to clash with aj-wilder (not directly clash but 2 mega superfights on ppv within 2 weeks? that wasnt workable).. Espinoza played the game and was on wilder's side the whole time.

so the only thing you keep sticking to is this 50m offer despite knowing that it would have been on bt sports. You know finkle and frank warren contradicted each other on the rematch situation.

as for eddie hearn, as i said before, aj was also under contract as an exclusive matchroom fighter. plus he would have got his cut from that. for example when amir khan fougt crawford, espn/tr did it all but eddie still got his cut. promoters situation has nothing to do with that. it wouldnt have been a matchroom event but eddie would still get paid. that's how it works. eddie openly and consistently called out finkle/al haymon IN NYC and said 'let us at least talk on the phone if you're not willing to meet me'.
they blackballed him completely, didnt answer calls, didnt meet...proving it was just a hoax. the 'money was there' but the terms were never going to be met..and all of it was done to harm joshua's reputation, something they attempted.

[davefromvancouv]

wrong, joshua has repeatedly said that the money was legit but the problem was he had his own contractual obligations which he put to their side. their side realised it wasnt workable and that was the end of it.

espinoza was always biased...he was bitter about aj moving to dazn. However even worse, he had all the intel on canelo-ggg coming up and allowed it to clash with aj-wilder (not directly clash but 2 mega superfights on ppv within 2 weeks? that wasnt workable).. Espinoza played the game and was on wilder's side the whole time.

so the only thing you keep sticking to is this 50m offer despite knowing that it would have been on bt sports. You know finkle and frank warren contradicted each other on the rematch situation.

as for eddie hearn, as i said before, aj was also under contract as an exclusive matchroom fighter. plus he would have got his cut from that. for example when amir khan fougt crawford, espn/tr did it all but eddie still got his cut. promoters situation has nothing to do with that. it wouldnt have been a matchroom event but eddie would still get paid. that's how it works. eddie openly and consistently called out finkle/al haymon IN NYC and said 'let us at least talk on the phone if you're not willing to meet me'.
they blackballed him completely, didnt answer calls, didnt meet...proving it was just a hoax. the 'money was there' but the terms were never going to be met..and all of it was done to harm joshua's reputation, something they attempted.

Lou DiBella said it would be on Sky Sports. He Lou DiBella absolutely destroyed the BT controversy, exploding "NO!!! Who's saying the fight will be on BT????" (47:30 - 53:50)

Steven Espinoza said Hearn was twisting the facts (after 10:00):

The bottom line is Joshua wasn't ready to fight Wilder in 2018, so his team played games with a legitimate offer, moving the goalposts until they could claim the WBA mandatory was due.

Then Joshua got smashed by Andy Ruiz in America and everything changed.

Now Joshua is ready to mix it up but he's been frozen out. He tried to steal Fury away from Wilder but it didn't work.

He's going to have to fight Wilder for undisputed, provided he gets past Usyk...

[Inspired]

Lou DiBella said it would be on Sky Sports. He Lou DiBella absolutely destroyed the BT controversy, exploding "NO!!! Who's saying the fight will be on BT????" (47:30 - 53:50)

Steven Espinoza said Hearn was twisting the facts (after 10:00):

The bottom line is Joshua wasn't ready to fight Wilder in 2018, so his team played games with a legitimate offer, moving the goalposts until they could claim the WBA mandatory was due.

Then Joshua got smashed by Andy Ruiz in America and everything changed.

Now Joshua is ready to mix it up but he's been frozen out. He tried to steal Fury away from Wilder but it didn't work.

He's going to have to fight Wilder for undisputed, provided he gets past Usyk...

so all your giving me are more contradictions

finkle - there's no rematch clause if aj loses

frank warren - aj ducked, i know because i saw the contract...why? because the money was coming from bt sports, it was a guaranteed 80m from 2 fights minimum, so if aj lost the first, he would still get 30m for the rematch.

lou dibella - so what is wrong with that?

he didnt deny it, his first response was 'so what?' lmao.

Espinoza is absolutely bitter about dazn.



you've not shown anything concrete other than show me that these people are bitter and will change their story at any time.
fact is, you know perfectly that finkle said 'no rematch' and frank AND finkle later said 'yeh yeh it was guaranteed 80m with a rematch clause'

plus i like how you try to stick to the 50m thing, talk about flat fee offers vs percentages, but ignore that wilder turned down $100m, with 80m for AJ when he has never ever come close to generating that sort of money on his own.

Joshua is the money guy..after getting battered by ruiz, look at the money the saudis paid him?
some people are just superstars regardless of anything else. AJ became more popular after a loss because people saw how he conducted himself.


'he tried to steal away fury'
wrong, Fury was clout chasing by constantly mentioning aj and getting all his edl fanbase inc carl froch, to wade in and diss aj. fury is on record saying 'im free to fight aj, no one cares about usyk, I WANT AJ' which is how that whole situation materialised.

also what a sad **** you watched this 2 hour 18 mins crap?
all that and you didnt know about finkle's dan rafael interview where he openly said there's no rematch if aj loses?